Re: Σε ποιον ανήκει η μνήμη της Βυζαντινής Αυτοκρατορίας;
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 02 Ιούλ 2018, 21:14
από deCaritaine
Νταρνάκας έγραψε: 02 Ιούλ 2018, 21:02
Αυτός εδώ ο βουλγάρικος χάρτης δείχνει όλα αυτά τα σλαβικά φύλα.
Οι Βούλγαροι με τους χάρτες που ανεβάζουν είναι για πολλές κλωτσιές. Σαγουδάται είναι τουρανικό - αβαρικο όνομα και μάλιστα έφυγαν, επέδραμαν και bye bye δεν εγκατασταθηκαν πουθενά. Ρυγχινοι και Στρυμωνίτες είναι προφανώς ελληνικό εξωνύμιο για δερβεναγάδες, πιθανόν και σε ρωμαϊκή υπηρεσία και όχι φύλο.
Για τους Βαϊουνίτες τα λεει ο ίδιος ο Γκεοργκίεφ που είναι Βούλγαρος, επίσης είχαν αρχηγό γότθο. Δεν είχαν σχέση με την μετέπειτα Βαγενετία. Τώρα οι Μπερζίτες αν ήταν φύλο ή σημαίνει έμποροι δεν παίρνω όρκο δεν έχω καλή πηγή για αυτό. Τα άλλα τα λέει και ο Μαλιγκούδης.
Εκεί που μου τη σπάνε οι βουλγάρικοι χάρτες είναι για τις μεγάλες αυτοκρατορίες των τσάρων Συμεών και Σαμουήλ (δεκάδες εκδοχές στο ίντερνετ), που έχουν μέσα όλη την Ελλάδα μέχρι ισθμό λες και κατέλαβαν ποτέ την Αθήνα ή τη Θήβα ή τη Ναύπακτο (την Λάρισα ναι ένα φεγγαρι). Αλλά και πάλι οι επιδρομές κράτησαν εβδομάδες ή 2-3 μήνες. Αλλά βαριέμαι να τσακώνομαι στο ίντερνετ συνέχεια

Re: Σε ποιον ανήκει η μνήμη της Βυζαντινής Αυτοκρατορίας;
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 20 Ιούλ 2018, 16:58
από Pussy Wagon
Πόσο "ελληνική" ήταν η βυζαντινή αυτοκρατορία;
Ας εξετάσουμε την καταγωγή των Βυζαντινών αυτοκρατόρων και ο καθένας ας βγάλει τα συμπεράσματα του.
Constantinian dynasty (306-363)
Constantine I (306-337) - ILLYRIAN, born in Nish, Serbia.
Constantine II (337-361) - ILLYRIAN, son of Constantine I, born in Sremska Mitrovica, Serbia.
Julian (361-363) - ILLYRIAN, son of Constantine I's Brother.
Non-dynastic (363-364)
Jovian (363-364) - ILLYRIAN, born in Belgrade, Serbia.
Valentinian-Theodosian dynasty (364-377)
Valentinian I (364-375) - ILLYRIAN, Born in Vinkovci, Croatia.
Valens (375-378) - ILLYRIAN, Brother of Valentinian I, born in Vinkovci, Croatia.
Gratian (378-379) - ILLYRIAN, born in Sremska Mitrovica, Serbia.
Theodosius I (379-395) - SPANISH, born in Cauca, Spain.
Arcadius (395-408) - SPANISH, son of Theodosius I.
Theodosius II (408-450) - SPANISH, son of Arcadius.
Pulcheria (450-453) - SPANISH, daughter of Arcadius.
Marcian (450-457) - THRACIAN, born in Thrace, exact village or town unknown.
Leonid dynasty (457-518)
Leo I (457-474) - THRACIAN, born in Thrace, exact village or town unknown.
Leo II (474-474) - THRACIAN, Son of Zeno and grandson of Leo I.
Zeno (474-475) - KURDISH, born in Isauria, Turkey.
Basiliscus (475-476) - ILLYRIAN, Born in the northern Balkans, exact village or town unknown.
Zeno (476-491) - KURDISH, restored as emperor.
Anastasius I (491-518) - ILLYRIAN, born in Durres, Albania.
Justinian dynasty (518-602)
Justin I (518-527) - ILLYRIAN, born in Nish, Serbia. (his real name was Istok).
Justinian I (527-565) - MACEDONIAN, born in Gradiste, Republic of Macedonia.
Justin II (565-578) - MACEDONIAN, nephew of Justinian I.
Tiberius II Constantine (578-582) - THRACIAN, born in Thrace, exact village or town unknown.
Maurice (582-602) - ARMENIAN, born in Arabissus, Turkey.
Non-dynastic (602-610)
Phocas (602-610) - THRACIAN, born in Thrace, exact village or town unknown.
Heraclian dynasty (610-711)
Heraclius (610–641) - ARMENIAN, born in Cappodocia, Turkey.
Constantine III (641-641) - ARMENIAN, son of Heraclius, born in Lazica, Republic of Georgia.
Heraklonas (641-641) - ARMENIAN, son of Heraclius, born in Lazica, Republic of Georgia.
Constans II (641–668) - ARMENIAN, son of Constatine III.
Mezezius (668–669) - ARMENIAN, born in Malazgirt, Turkey.
Constantine IV (668–685) - ARMENIAN, son of Constans II.
Justinian II (685–695) - ARMENIAN, son of Constatine IV.
Leontios (695–698) - KURDISH, born in Isauria, Turkey.
Tiberios III (698–705) - GERMAN, born in Germany, exact village or town unknown.
Justinian II (705–711) - ARMENIAN, restored.
Non-dynastic (711-717)
Philippikos Bardanes (711–713) - ARMENIAN, born in Armenia, exact village or town unknown.
Anastasios II (713–715) - UNKNOWN, possibly Armenian.
Theodosios III (715–717) - GERMAN, son of Tiberios III.
Isaurian dynasty (717-802)
Leo III (717–741) - KURDISH, born in Maras, Turkey.
Constantine V Kopronymos (741-741) - KURDISH, son of Leo III.
Artabasdus (741–743) - ARMENIAN, born in Armenia, exact village or town unknown.
Constantine V Kopronymos (743–775) - KURDISH, restored as emperor.
Leo IV (775–780) - KURDISH/KHAZAR son of Constantine V and a Khazar mother.
Constantine VI (780–797) - KURDISH/KHAZAR, son of Leo IV.
Irene (797–802) - GREEK, born in Athens and ironically deposed and exiled to Lesbos.
Nikephoros dynasty (802-813)
Nikephoros I (802–811) - ARAB, born in Selef, Turkey.
Staurakios (811-811) - ARAB, son of Nikephoros I.
Michael I Rangabe (811–813) - UNKNOWN.
Non-dynastic (813-820)
Leo V (813–820) - ARMENIAN, born in Armenia, exact village or town unknown.
Phrygian dynasty (820-867)
Michael II (820-829) - ARMENIAN, Born in Amorium, Turkey.
Theophilus (829-842) - ARMENIAN, son of Michael II and an Armenian mother.
Theodora (842-855) - ARMENIAN, born in Paphlagonia, Turkey.
Michael III (855-867) - ARMENIAN, son of Theophilus.
Macedonian dynasty (867-1056)
Basil I (867-886) - ARMENIAN, born in Macedonia, exact village or town unknown.
Leo VI (886-912) - ARMENIAN, son of Michael III.
Alexander (912-913) - ARMENIAN, son of Basil I.
Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos (908-959) - ARMENIAN, son of Leo VI
Romanos I Lekapenos (920-944) - ARMENIAN, born in Lakape, Republic of Armenia.
Romanos II Porphyrogennetos (959-963) - ARMENIAN, son of Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos.
Nikephoros II Phokas (963-969) - ARMENIAN, born in Cappodocia, Turkey.
John I Tzimiskes (969-976) - ARMENIAN, born in Cappodocia, Turkey.
Basil II (976-1025) - ARMENIAN, exact village or town unknown.
Constantine VIII (1025-1028) - ARMENIAN, son of Romanos II Porphyrogennetos.
Zoe (1028-1050) - ARMENIAN, daugter of Constantine VIII.
Romanos III Argyros (1028-1034) - ARMENIAN, great grandson of Romanos I.
Michael IV (1034-1041) - PAPHLAGONIAN, born in Paphlagonia, Turkey.
Michael V (1041-1042) - PAPHLAGONIAN, nephew of Michael IV.
Theodora (1042-1042) - ARMENIAN, daughter of Constantine VIII.
Constantine IX (1042-1055) - UNKNOWN, possibly Armenian.
Theodora (1055-1056) - ARMENIAN, restored as emperor.
Non-dynastic (1056-1057)
Michael VI the General (1056–1057) - UNKNOWN.
Komnenid dynasty (1057-1059)
Isaac I Komnenos (1057–1059) - ARMENIAN, family originates from Paphlagonia, Turkey.
Doukid dynasty (1059-1081)
Constantine X (1059-1067) - PAPHLAGONIAN, born exact village or town unknown.
Michael VII (1067-1090) - PAPHLAGONIAN, son of Constantine X.
Romanos IV (1067-1071) - ARMENIAN, family originates from Cappodocia, Turkey.
Nikephoros III (1078-1081) - ITALIAN, descended from the Fabii, a leading patrician family from Rome.
Komnenid dynasty (1081-1185)
Alexios I Komnenos (1081-1118) - ARMENIAN, nephew of Isaac I Komnenos, family originates from Paphlagonia, Turkey.
John II Komnenos (1118-1143) - ARMENIAN, son of Alexios I Komnenos.
Manuel I Komnenos (1143-1180) - ARMENIAN, son of Andronikos I Komnenos.
Alexios II Komnenos (1180-1183) - ARMENIAN, son of Manuel I Komnenos.
Andronikos I Michael VIII Palaiologos 1183-1185) - ARMENIAN, grandson of Alexios I.
Angelid dynasty (1185-1204)
Isaac II Angelos (1185-1195) - ARMENIAN, grandson of Alexios I Komnenos.
Alexios III Angelos (1195-1203) - ARMENIAN, grandson of Alexios I Komnenos.
Isaac II Angelos (1203-1205) - ARMENIAN, restored as emperor.
Alexios IV Angelos (1203-1204) - ARMENIAN, son of Isaac II Angelos.
Nikolaos Kanabos (1204-1205) - UNKNOWN.
Alexios V Doukas (1204-1205) - PAPHLAGONIAN, descended from the Ducas family who originate from Paphlagonia, Turkey.
Latin dynasty - Empire of Constantinople (1204-1237)
Baldwin I (1204–06) - FRENCH, born in Valenciennes, France.
Henry (1206–1217) - FRENCH, born in Valenciennes, France.
Peter (1217-1217) - FRENCH, born in Auxerre, France.
Yolande (1217–1219) - FRENCH, sister of Balwin I.
Robert (1221–1228) - FRENCH, born in Flanders, France.
Baldwin II Porphyrogennetos (1228–1261) - FRENCH, son of Yolande.
John (1231–1237) - FRENCH, born in Brienne, France.
Laskarid dynasty - Empire of Nicaea (1204-1261)
Constantine Laskaris (1204-1204) - UNKNOWN.
Theodore I Laskaris (1174–1222) - UNKNOWN.
John III Doukas Vatatzes (1222–1254) - ARMENIAN, cousin of Isaac II Angelos.
Theodore II Doukas Laskaris (1254–1258) - UNKNOWN.
John IV Doukas Laskaris (1258–1261) - UNKNOWN.
Palaiologan Dynasty (1259-1453)
Michael VIII Palaiologos (1259–1282) - ARMENIAN, descended from both the Armenian Ducas and Komnenos families.
Andronikos II Palaiologos the Elder (1282–1328) - ARMENIAN, son of Michael VIII Palaiologos.
Andronikos III Palaiologos the Younger (1328–1341) - ARMENIAN , son of and Michael IX Palaiologos and princess Rita of Armenia.
John V Palaiologos (1341–1347) - ARMENIAN, son of Andronikos III Palaiologos the Younger.
John VI Kantakouzenos (1347–1354) - GREEK, born in Morea.
John V Palaiologos (1354–1376) - ARMENIAN, restored as emperor.
Andronikos IV Palaiologos (1376–1379) - ARMENIAN, son of John V Palaiologos.
John VII Palaiologos (1376-1379) - ARMENIAN, son of Andronikos IV Palaiologos.
John V Palaiologos (1379–1390) - ARMENIAN, restored as emperor.
John VII Palaiologos (1390-1390) - ARMENIAN, son of Andronikos IV Palaiologos.
John V Palaiologos (1390–1391) - ARMENIAN, son of Andronikos III Palaiologos.
Manuel II Palaiologos (1391–1425) - ARMENIAN, son of John V Palaiologos.
John VII Palaiologos (1399–1402) - ARMENIAN, restored as emperor.
John VIII Palaiologos (1425–1448) - ARMENIAN, son of Manuel II Palaiologos.
Constantine XI Palaiologos Dragases (1449–1453) - ARMENIAN, son of Manuel II Palaiologos.
Re: Σε ποιον ανήκει η μνήμη της Βυζαντινής Αυτοκρατορίας;
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 20 Ιούλ 2018, 18:18
από Rakomelofronas
Σχεδόν όλοι αυτοί, βασικά από τον Ηράκλειο και μετά 100% όλοι και ελάχιστες εξαιρέσεις πριν από αυτόν, είχαν κοινή γλώσσα και θρησκεία. Εξαιρετικό επιχείρημα που δείχνει την αφομοιωτική δύναμη των Γραικών! Η Βασιλεία Ρωμαίων είχε ξεκάθαρο πολιτισμικό στίγμα, με ευδιάκριτη καταγωγή από Ελλάδα, Ρώμη και καθ' ημάς Ανατολή και μία γλωσσα - μία θρησκεία - μία Αρχή. Όλα τα υπόλοιπα είναι νοητικές ακροβασίες.
Re: Σε ποιον ανήκει η μνήμη της Βυζαντινής Αυτοκρατορίας;
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 20 Ιούλ 2018, 18:23
από LOUROS
Έτσι, ολοι ξένοι ε;
Μπίστης έγραψε: 20 Ιούλ 2018, 17:57
Εμένα μου αρέσει που με το Μακεδόνες εννοούν ότι θα ήθελαν και το αόριστο Θράκες ( άντε να το δεχτώ ως ευρύτερη φυλετική δεξαμενή) το παίρνουν ως εθνότητα
Καλά, και ολοι αυτοί που γεννήθηκαν στη Θράκη, Ιλλυρία, Σερβία, Αρμενιακό, Παφλαγονία κτλ, λες να μην είχαν ελληνορωμαϊκή καταγωγή; Τους σκλάβους ντόπιους κατσίβελους κάνανε αυτοκράτορες; Μ αρέσει που βάλανε και Κούρδο
Μάλλον κάποιοι μπερδεύουν τη γεωγραφία με τη καταγωγή.