Scouser έγραψε: 19 Φεβ 2025, 23:22Και αυτό μαλακία είναι, προφανώς αυτοί στο Λβιβ ας πούμε είναι άλλο πράγμα από τους Ρώσους, περιλαμβανομένων αυτών που ζουν στην Κριμαία, στο Λουχάνσκ, στο Ντονέτσκ κτλ. Αυτό που ισχύει είναι ότι τα σύνορα της Ουκρανίας, όπως τα διαμόρφωσαν τα μπολσεβικικά περιττώματα και έγιναν δυστυχώς αποδεκτά μετά τη διάλυση της Σοβιετίας, δεν αντιστοιχούν σε τίποτα άλλο παρά στις τότε επιδιώξεις των εν λόγω περιττωμάτων. Η Κριμαία ας πούμε παραδόθηκε στην Ουκρανία από τον Χρουστσώφ για να διατηρηθούν εσωκομματικές ισορροπίες τη δεκαετία του '50. Άρα μιλάμε για ένα τεχνητό κράτος που μπορούσε να διατηρηθεί στα μεταψυχροπολεμικά του σύνορα μόνο με τη διατήρηση ισορροπιών. Καλά πήγε αυτό, δεν μπορώ να πω. Τουλάχιστον έβγαλαν χρήματα κάτι τύποι σαν τον δάσκαλο που προσέλαβε το 2019 ο Ζελένσκι για να του μάθει ουκρανικά.dna replication έγραψε: 19 Φεβ 2025, 22:58Ιουλιος 2021NewModelArmy έγραψε: 19 Φεβ 2025, 22:55
Οχι και τοσο δυνατο επιχειρημα οσο νομιζεις.Ιρλανδικα παιζει να καταλαβαινει to 1/5 του νησιου.Πηγαινε πες τους οτι ειναι Βρετανοι.
A striking 41% of Ukrainian respondents to a poll agreed with Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent claim that “Russians and Ukrainians are one nation and belong to the same historical and spiritual space,” according to the latest Rating Group poll published on July 27.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/7019
αυτά το 2021, μετα απο 7 χρόνια λυσσωδους επίσημης USAID προπαγάνδας και τουλάχιστον 20 ανεπίσημης
They’ve been planning this proxy war since the 1950s: A declassified 1958 CIA report shows the US’ plan to destabilise the Ukrainian SSR and Soviet Union
The CIA considered western Ukraine as more promising to carry out anti-Soviet activity, while judging Crimea & Donbass to be least promising
This was the CIA’s plan all along, which was finally executed with the first shot fired with the Maidan Coup in 2014.
https://t.me/BeornAndTheShieldmaiden/2743
Language as a "Resistance factor" - 1957 vs. 2000-s
The first map is from the 1957 CIA report "Resistance Factors and Special Forces Areas - Ukraine", dividing Ukraine into 12 "loyalty zones".
The Crimea and part of Donbass - industrial regions of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, were recognised by the Americans as the most loyal to the Soviet regime.
From an eastward direction, the first region where the US special forces may get significant support are left-bank Poltava, Chernigov and Sumy regions, as well as right-bank Kirovograd and part of the Vinnytsya region.
The so-called "Zone 8" was named as more anti-Soviet. It comprised the Kiev, Cherkassy, Zhytomir and Hmelnytsk regions. The most anti-Soviet mood was ascribed to three Galician regions; Lvov, Ternopol and Ivano-Frankovsk.
The analytical article at Scott.net (which in itself is a translation of an article from the Ukrainian service of BBC) that we mentioned in our previous post, takes an in-depth look at each of these zones.
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The two maps below are among many maps and statistical material found in the June 2014 post at Beorn’s blog that went under the title «Two Ukraines».
The grey map shows the geography of requests done in the Ukrainian language, while the one with yellow background shows the percentage of people, who stated Russian as their mothertongue in 2001.
It is no wonder that Russian language became discriminated against, and then outright forbidden after the USA-backed Nazi coup in 2014 - all in line with the CIA's mapping of the "resistance factors", and the need to suppress said resistance.
The document in question is in this post:
https://t.me/BeornAndTheShieldmaiden/2742
The 1957 CIA Plan For Subversion of Ukraine
As a follow-up on the Policy Planning Staff Paper on Ukraine of the US State Department from 1948 that we forwarded in an earlier post, it is worth remembering of the 1957 CIA document "Resistance Factors and Special Forces Areas - Ukraine", which became declassified in 2017.
As an aside, similar subversion documents were created not just for the parts of the USSR, but also for the countries of the Warsaw Pact, like this 1955 report "Resistance Factors and Special Forces Areas - Czechoslovakia".
The document on Ukraine is very thorough, containing not only the analysis of the political fault lines, but also details on climate (like snowfall and temperature), natural resources (like forestation), and transportation, as befits someone who plans to make use of the newly-acquired territories.
It also looked at the areas that offered resistance to the Soviet Power during the war - an euphemism for who were the Nazi collaborators there.
A foreword, published in the following Scott.net in-depth analytical article on this subject sums it up really well:
I would like to say a few words about the spontaneity of Maidan. And not even about Pyatt or Nuland with cookies and American dirty money, which was taken from the Embassy to the headquarters of Maidan in bags. I want to probe into history in connection with the published CIA documents about the "national liberation" movement in Ukraine.
It's an interesting fact that the CIA sponsored the Banderist movement, at the same time considering it as a terrorist one. ... It is seen that Banderism affected less than a quarter of the territory of Ukraine in the West. There was a description of the moods. Crimea wasn't considered Ukrainian, and about Donbass they said that it "feels itself to be an island of Russian among Ukrainians."
All of this was planned for decades. And the same thing was planned and is being planned against Russia.
https://t.me/BeornAndTheShieldmaiden/2741
Here is a link ( https://www.foreignaffairs.com/sites/de ... kraine.pdf ) to a Policy Paper on Ukraine of the US State Department from 1948, archived at the Foreign Affairs website. Fascinating reading, how times have changed.
A couple of excerpts:
There is no clear dividing line between Russia and the Ukraine. and it would be impossible to establish one. The cities in Ukrainian territory have been predominantly Russian and Jewish. The real basis of “Ukrainianism” is the feeling of “difference” produced by a specific peasant dialect and by minor differences of custom and folklore throughout the country districts. The political agitation on the surface is largely the work of a few romantic intellectuals, who have little concept of the responsibilities of government.
…The economy of Ukraine is inextricably intertwined with that of Russia as a whole. There has never been any economic separation since the territory was conquered, from the nomadic Tatars and developed for purposes of a sedentary population. To attempt to carve it out of the Russian economy and set it up as something separate would be as artificial and destructive as an attempt to separate the Corn Belt, including the Great Lakes industrial area, from the economy of the United States…
…the people who speak the Ukrainian dialect have been split, like those who speak the White Russian dialect, by a division which in eastern Europe has always been the real mark of nationality: namely, religion. If any real border can be drawn in the Ukraine, it should logically be the border between the areas which traditionally give religious allegiance to the Eastern Church and those who give it to the Church of Rome…
Like a Star @ heaven The US foreign policy community, especially the State Department has degenerated since those days.
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