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Golden Age έγραψε: 06 Αύγ 2024, 19:43
Το ότι κυκλοφορούν μπουγιο στους δρόμους με κουκούλες και απειλητικές διαθέσεις και ουρλιάζοντας δεν αρκεί;

Το μόνο που θα πάρει καιρό είναι η προσμονή σου για το "ξεκαθάρισμα". Δεν πρόκειται λέμε. Τους βλέπει σαν "συμμάχους". Αν δεν τους ζήτησε κιόλας αυτός να κατεβούν στους δρόμους.
Μπουγιο με κουκουλες κλπ ουρλιαζοντας, ειναι βεβαια λιγο διαφορετικο απο πογκρομ με πεσιματα η' μπαχαλα με καταστροφη περιουσιας, αλλα εαν οι αρχες κρινουν τοτε θα μοιρασουν ASBOS που θα παει συννεφο. Το οτι τους βλεπει σα συμμαχους η' μπορει και να τους ζητησε να κατεβουν στους δρομους αυτος ειναι προσωπικη εκτιμηση, εκτος εαν εχεις καποιο στοιχειο.
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foscilis έγραψε: 07 Αύγ 2024, 00:47 Ρε ο Ελον εγραψε οτι ειναι αναποφευκτος ο εμφυλιος, χαχα καλα κανω και τον εχω mute.
Ουδείς εμφύλιος θα γίνει. Θα παίξει η φάση του δυτικού βάτραχου στην πολυπολιτισμική κατσαρόλα και όλα θα εξελιχθούν ειρηνικά.
Η ελπίδα είναι παγίδα.
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ΓΑΛΗ έγραψε: 07 Αύγ 2024, 00:26 Αυτό που γουστάρω εγώ είναι οι φάσεις όπου οι Έλληνες μετανάστες έχουν άποψη για τα ελληνικά τεκταινόμενα...


:lol:
Καποιοι μπορει να εχουν ταυτοχρονα διπλες/τριπλες κατοικιες, φορολογικες υποχρεωσεις, οικογενειες και φιλους σε δυο και τρεις χωρες και γενικα ενδιαφεροντα και ενημερωση για ολα τα παραπανω. Γιατι να μην γινεται ?
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πατησιωτης έγραψε: 07 Αύγ 2024, 00:40
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ποια νομίζεις οτι είσαι ρε τσουλάκι που θα βγεις να μιλήσεις για τα πάκιζ που σε βιάζαν από μικρο κορίτσι;

Σταρμέραρος και ΗΒ 2.0
Αυτή προφανώς είναι παλιά συνέντευξη την οποία ανέσυρε ο Έλον που έχει γίνει πρόβλημα για τους συμπεριληπτικούς.
Ας απαγορεύσει το τουήτερ ο Στέρμερ για να γλυτώσει και να μπει στην κατηγορία Πούτιν. :g030:
εξαιρετικη ιδεα, στηριζουμε ολοι
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/1820924980558758106
ευκαιρια ο Σταρμερ να μπει στην κατηγορια τσωρτσιλ που συνιστουσε στους Βρετανους να μην ακουνε τον Lord haw haw
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talaipwros έγραψε: 07 Αύγ 2024, 00:56
πατησιωτης έγραψε: 07 Αύγ 2024, 00:40
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ποια νομίζεις οτι είσαι ρε τσουλάκι που θα βγεις να μιλήσεις για τα πάκιζ που σε βιάζαν από μικρο κορίτσι;

Σταρμέραρος και ΗΒ 2.0
Αυτή προφανώς είναι παλιά συνέντευξη την οποία ανέσυρε ο Έλον που έχει γίνει πρόβλημα για τους συμπεριληπτικούς.
Ας απαγορεύσει το τουήτερ ο Στέρμερ για να γλυτώσει και να μπει στην κατηγορία Πούτιν. :g030:
εξαιρετικη ιδεα, στηριζουμε ολοι
https://twitter.com/JMPSimor/status/1820924980558758106
ευκαιρια ο Σταρμερ να μπει στην κατηγορια τσωρτσιλ που συνιστουσε στους Βρετανους να μην ακουνε τον Lord haw haw
Εγώ προτείνω να μπεις εσύ ως ηγέτης στην πχορουμική κατηγορία του "αρχοντοχωριάτη".
Η ελπίδα είναι παγίδα.
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Starmer’s Shambolic CPS, previously dubbed ‘an enemy to women’, proves he is unfit to serve as a member of parliament, let alone leader of the opposition.
Sir Keir Starmer QC, during his time as Director of Public Prosecutions.

In her role as Home Secretary, Priti Patel has already crafted the attack lines the Labour Party will face if Sir Keir Starmer becomes its next leader. After having been appointed head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in November 2008, Sir Keir’s half decade in the position oversaw cases as large and polarising as the Rochdale grooming gang scandal, mass sexual abuse scandals involving entertainment figures such as Jimmy Savile, and the John Worboys case. Patel noted Sir Keir has a complete ‘lack of interest in prosecuting horrendous crimes against women’, a statement hard to argue with when presented with his record.

Arguably the biggest scandal during his time as DPP came right at the beginning of his tenure. A victim of the Rochdale Grooming gang had reported to Greater Manchester Police the sexual exploitation she’d been experiencing since the age of 15, including becoming pregnant by one of the men abusing her. When referred to the CPS, they decided that the victim was ‘not credible’ and that due to ‘insufficient evidence’ there was an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. Victims continued to be plied with alcohol, drugs and gifts and were prostituted out to multiple men a night, multiple times a week for a further five years.

In 2011, Nazir Afzal, who was then the chief prosecutor in the North West, reopened the case. The evidence previously deemed ‘insufficient’ by Starmer’s CPS — evidence which included DNA and eventually led to 47 other victims allegations — proved vital to securing the convictions of ten men. One of the victims was still not seen as ‘credible’ enough by the CPS because, despite being abused herself, she had later assisted in recruiting other girls to be groomed. The CPS did not want to call her as a witness and had ruled it was not in the public interest to prosecute the men who had abused her, but they needed to use the victim’s evidence. The CPS chose to name this victim as a co-conspirator without informing her that she had been named on the indictment along with the men who had trafficked and raped her. This resulted in social services attempting to remove her child from her custody, and the resignation of the Detective Constable overseeing the case resigning from the force — so that he could publicly criticise the CPS’s treatment of victims.

Local authorities had previously blamed their reluctance to prosecute on the fear of being perceived as racist due to the fact the perpetrators were of South Asian origin and the victims were mostly white British girls. This reluctance and inaction saw a rise in far-right agitation across northern England; a father of one of the victims even joined the BNP for a short period over frustration at the lack of action by authorities. After significant public backlash, Sir Keir was forced to apologise for the mishandling of the case, saying that prosecutors shouldn’t “shy away” from the “issue of ethnicity” which had to be “understood and addressed”, and that ‘a number of assumptions, myths and stereotypes’ about sexual violence had resulted in the previous decision to ‘no further action’ the case.

This response feebly indicated that the CPS needed to review how staff viewed sexual violence and the treatment of victims. Unfortunately, as later demonstrated by repeated failings on such issues, any internal review that may have gone on seems to have further embedded assumptions, myths and stereotypes within the institution. Retrospectively looking at Sir Keir’s language, it is quite clear now that his wording, though seemingly confident on this issue, lacked any substance.

In 2009, whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive, police in Surrey and Sussex referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16. Savile was interviewed under caution at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, where one of the incidents allegedly took place in the seventies. Within the same month, the CPS had received the files from police, but dropped the case due to ‘insufficient evidence’’. It would later emerge after Savile’s death that he had abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period. In 2012 Emily Thornberry, Sir Keir’s former opponent in the current Labour leadership contest, stated that she found it “deeply disappointing” that the CPS was “presented with evidence of a clear pattern of sexual assaults by Savile and decided not to act.”

However, one of the most crucial cases is related to John Worboys, the black cab driver who spiked the drinks of scores of unsuspecting women before sexually assaulting them while they were unconscious in the back of his taxi. Worboys was convicted in 2009 of 19 charges against 12 women. It was suspected that there were over 100 more victims. But Sir Keir ruled not to pursue further charges. What is most interesting about the case is that Carrie Symonds, the current partner of Boris Johnson, was a victim of Worboys. If Sir Keir is elected Labour’s next leader elected, the party would face a situation where they would have not only failed to elect a woman leader, but they would also elected a man who oversaw the mishandling of a high-profile rape case involving the prime minister’s partner.

Sir Keir also oversaw the dramatic decline in the prosecution rate of rape cases as a result of the introduction of new guidance which led to police referring fewer cases to the CPS for charging decisions. The guidance saw an increase in the burden of proof from 50% to 60% which resulted in more complex cases that were more difficult to prosecute being dropped, with thousands of victims seeing their cases ‘no further actioned’ due to ‘insufficient evidence’ and an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. These are the same things the victims of both Savile and the Rochdale grooming gang were originally told, which points to systemic failures resulting in untold numbers of abusers walking free without ever facing trial.

A senior Met officer told the Bureau of Investigative Journalism that ‘referrals (to the CPS) had dropped as a result of policy change put in place in response to the CPS director’s 2011 guidance on charging’. This has contributed to the current crisis in the criminal justice system where campaigners have described rape as being ‘effectively decriminalised’. As a result, the End Violence Against Women and Girls Coalition and Centre for Women’s Justice have brought a judicial review against the CPS for their failure to prosecute rape cases.

Sir Keir also failed to end the process of survivors who are disbelieved by authorities, or who withdraw their allegations from being charged for ‘false reporting’. The fear of false accusations is hugely disproportionate to the frequency of this occurrence. False allegations are extremely rare, ones that are labelled as ‘false’ often result in being true years later or are legitimate allegations that were withdrawn under pressure from the attacker, family and friends or the police.

After Sir Keir’s resignation from the role, he called on the CPS to implement changes to how rape cases were investigated and even helped the Labour Party draw up a victim’s law outlining how it could be done. This was after he had the power to push for these changes himself within the institution. Instead he left deeply held biases and myths go mostly unchallenged, allowing for a culture of disbelief to continue, paving the way for the further decline of conviction rates. Survivors deserve support and justice, but Sir Keir reserved that for a small few choosing suspicion first and foremost, even in cases with multiple victims like the Rochdale grooming gang and Jimmy Savile scandals.

As shown when it comes to sexual violence, Sir Keir is not a man of principle, he won’t champion justice or stand up for human rights, he will actively deny you them. Sir Keir doesn’t believe sex crimes to be in the public interest to prosecute. Evidence of this is on public record for all to see. If Labour Party members ignore Sir Keir’s history at the CPS we risk sending a damning message that his previous judgements as DPP do not matter and by extension those victims who were let down don’t either.
https://medium.com/@lucynevitt/starmers ... fabd38bb6d
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Starmer’s Shambolic CPS, previously dubbed ‘an enemy to women’, proves he is unfit to serve as a member of parliament, let alone leader of the opposition.
Sir Keir Starmer QC, during his time as Director of Public Prosecutions.

In her role as Home Secretary, Priti Patel has already crafted the attack lines the Labour Party will face if Sir Keir Starmer becomes its next leader. After having been appointed head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in November 2008, Sir Keir’s half decade in the position oversaw cases as large and polarising as the Rochdale grooming gang scandal, mass sexual abuse scandals involving entertainment figures such as Jimmy Savile, and the John Worboys case. Patel noted Sir Keir has a complete ‘lack of interest in prosecuting horrendous crimes against women’, a statement hard to argue with when presented with his record.

Arguably the biggest scandal during his time as DPP came right at the beginning of his tenure. A victim of the Rochdale Grooming gang had reported to Greater Manchester Police the sexual exploitation she’d been experiencing since the age of 15, including becoming pregnant by one of the men abusing her. When referred to the CPS, they decided that the victim was ‘not credible’ and that due to ‘insufficient evidence’ there was an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. Victims continued to be plied with alcohol, drugs and gifts and were prostituted out to multiple men a night, multiple times a week for a further five years.

In 2011, Nazir Afzal, who was then the chief prosecutor in the North West, reopened the case. The evidence previously deemed ‘insufficient’ by Starmer’s CPS — evidence which included DNA and eventually led to 47 other victims allegations — proved vital to securing the convictions of ten men. One of the victims was still not seen as ‘credible’ enough by the CPS because, despite being abused herself, she had later assisted in recruiting other girls to be groomed. The CPS did not want to call her as a witness and had ruled it was not in the public interest to prosecute the men who had abused her, but they needed to use the victim’s evidence. The CPS chose to name this victim as a co-conspirator without informing her that she had been named on the indictment along with the men who had trafficked and raped her. This resulted in social services attempting to remove her child from her custody, and the resignation of the Detective Constable overseeing the case resigning from the force — so that he could publicly criticise the CPS’s treatment of victims.

Local authorities had previously blamed their reluctance to prosecute on the fear of being perceived as racist due to the fact the perpetrators were of South Asian origin and the victims were mostly white British girls. This reluctance and inaction saw a rise in far-right agitation across northern England; a father of one of the victims even joined the BNP for a short period over frustration at the lack of action by authorities. After significant public backlash, Sir Keir was forced to apologise for the mishandling of the case, saying that prosecutors shouldn’t “shy away” from the “issue of ethnicity” which had to be “understood and addressed”, and that ‘a number of assumptions, myths and stereotypes’ about sexual violence had resulted in the previous decision to ‘no further action’ the case.

This response feebly indicated that the CPS needed to review how staff viewed sexual violence and the treatment of victims. Unfortunately, as later demonstrated by repeated failings on such issues, any internal review that may have gone on seems to have further embedded assumptions, myths and stereotypes within the institution. Retrospectively looking at Sir Keir’s language, it is quite clear now that his wording, though seemingly confident on this issue, lacked any substance.

In 2009, whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive, police in Surrey and Sussex referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16. Savile was interviewed under caution at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, where one of the incidents allegedly took place in the seventies. Within the same month, the CPS had received the files from police, but dropped the case due to ‘insufficient evidence’’. It would later emerge after Savile’s death that he had abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period. In 2012 Emily Thornberry, Sir Keir’s former opponent in the current Labour leadership contest, stated that she found it “deeply disappointing” that the CPS was “presented with evidence of a clear pattern of sexual assaults by Savile and decided not to act.”

However, one of the most crucial cases is related to John Worboys, the black cab driver who spiked the drinks of scores of unsuspecting women before sexually assaulting them while they were unconscious in the back of his taxi. Worboys was convicted in 2009 of 19 charges against 12 women. It was suspected that there were over 100 more victims. But Sir Keir ruled not to pursue further charges. What is most interesting about the case is that Carrie Symonds, the current partner of Boris Johnson, was a victim of Worboys. If Sir Keir is elected Labour’s next leader elected, the party would face a situation where they would have not only failed to elect a woman leader, but they would also elected a man who oversaw the mishandling of a high-profile rape case involving the prime minister’s partner.

Sir Keir also oversaw the dramatic decline in the prosecution rate of rape cases as a result of the introduction of new guidance which led to police referring fewer cases to the CPS for charging decisions. The guidance saw an increase in the burden of proof from 50% to 60% which resulted in more complex cases that were more difficult to prosecute being dropped, with thousands of victims seeing their cases ‘no further actioned’ due to ‘insufficient evidence’ and an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. These are the same things the victims of both Savile and the Rochdale grooming gang were originally told, which points to systemic failures resulting in untold numbers of abusers walking free without ever facing trial.

A senior Met officer told the Bureau of Investigative Journalism that ‘referrals (to the CPS) had dropped as a result of policy change put in place in response to the CPS director’s 2011 guidance on charging’. This has contributed to the current crisis in the criminal justice system where campaigners have described rape as being ‘effectively decriminalised’. As a result, the End Violence Against Women and Girls Coalition and Centre for Women’s Justice have brought a judicial review against the CPS for their failure to prosecute rape cases.

Sir Keir also failed to end the process of survivors who are disbelieved by authorities, or who withdraw their allegations from being charged for ‘false reporting’. The fear of false accusations is hugely disproportionate to the frequency of this occurrence. False allegations are extremely rare, ones that are labelled as ‘false’ often result in being true years later or are legitimate allegations that were withdrawn under pressure from the attacker, family and friends or the police.

After Sir Keir’s resignation from the role, he called on the CPS to implement changes to how rape cases were investigated and even helped the Labour Party draw up a victim’s law outlining how it could be done. This was after he had the power to push for these changes himself within the institution. Instead he left deeply held biases and myths go mostly unchallenged, allowing for a culture of disbelief to continue, paving the way for the further decline of conviction rates. Survivors deserve support and justice, but Sir Keir reserved that for a small few choosing suspicion first and foremost, even in cases with multiple victims like the Rochdale grooming gang and Jimmy Savile scandals.

As shown when it comes to sexual violence, Sir Keir is not a man of principle, he won’t champion justice or stand up for human rights, he will actively deny you them. Sir Keir doesn’t believe sex crimes to be in the public interest to prosecute. Evidence of this is on public record for all to see. If Labour Party members ignore Sir Keir’s history at the CPS we risk sending a damning message that his previous judgements as DPP do not matter and by extension those victims who were let down don’t either.
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Lucy Nevitt?

Αυτη η Lucy Nevitt?
Battle twin sisters sued by the man they reported for sexual assault
https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/cr ... lt-3151269

( η ιστορια με τον Σταρμερ και τους sex offenders συζητηθηκε στο κοινοβουλιο. Ακομα και o προεδρος της βουλης και ο chief whip απολογηθηκαν)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... lian-smith
Smith, the former Conservative Northern Ireland secretary and chief whip, said Johnson’s comments about the child sexual abuser were unacceptable. The claim has been promoted by far-right conspiracist Facebook groups.


“The smear made against Keir Starmer relating to Jimmy Savile yesterday is wrong and cannot be defended,” he tweeted. “It should be withdrawn. False and baseless personal slurs are dangerous, corrode trust and can’t just be accepted as part of the cut and thrust of parliamentary debate.”
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το μέλος talaipwros την 07 Αύγ 2024, 01:20, έχει επεξεργασθεί 2 φορές συνολικά.
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nemo έγραψε: 06 Αύγ 2024, 19:52
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nemo έγραψε: 06 Αύγ 2024, 19:18 παρολα αυτα εκφραζουν και εχουν αποψη για το τι συμβαινει στην χωρα που διαβιωνουν
Έτσι. Το σωστό είναι να έχουν άποψη για τη χώρα αυτοί που δε διαβιώνουν στη χώρα :003:
οκ θα το πω αλλιως μιλανε οι μεταναστες που εχουν παει προσφατα σε μια χωρα χωρις να λαμβανουν
στα υποψιν τους τι λενε και τι νομιζουν οι ιδιοι γηγενεις κατοικοι της χωρας

δλδ για καποιους μετραει η γνωμη τους αλλα την γνωμη των γηγενων δεν την εχουμε ακουσει ακομη
στο νημα οποτε γιατι εγω να δωσω σημασια το τι λεει ο καθε νουλις που ζει σαν μεταναστης
αναμεσα σε μεταναστες ; τωρα βλεπεις καποια συνοχη;
Aπό τους γηγενείς, αυτοί που είναι το επάγγελμά τους να λένε γνώμη ή πληρώνονται με οποιονδήποτε τρόπο ή κυνηγάνε λάϊκς στα σόσιαλ μίντια για οποιοδήποτε λόγο, θεωρώ έχουν μηδέν πιθανότητες να είναι αντικειμενικοί ή να πούν σ'εσένα κι εμένα τι πραγματικά γίνεται. E, αν αφαιρέσεις αυτούς δε μένει και τίποτα. Ευχαρίστως να ακούσω και τη γνώμη Άγγλου, απλά δεν έχω κανέναν πρόχειρο εδώ πέρα.

Κατά τάλλα για ποιό λόγο νομίζεις ότι η ζωή κάποιου που δουλεύει στο Λονδίνο είναι διαφορετική από κάποιου Αγγλου που δουλεύει στο Λονδίνο, και γιατί νομίζεις ότι οι μετανάστες στην Αγγλία μένουν ξεχωριστά απ'τους ντόπιους;
Δοξάκης αν έπαιζε σήμερα θα ήταν 6ος παίκτης άνετα σε μεσαία ομάδα Nba. :blm:
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και τα δυο κειμενα (καποιος ειπε κατι στο ραντιο4 και η προσωπικη γνωμη καποιας λουσι τρεχαγυρευε στο μηντιουμ, πολυ σοβαρο σαιτ δημοσιευσης ο,τι ναναι αλα τουιτερ) δεν εχουν κανενα αλλο μπακινκ απο τριτη πηγη. Ειναι σα να το εβγαλε καποιος απο τον γκωλο του, οπως συνηθίζεται εδω μεσα. Η ουσια ειναι παντα στις λεπτομερειες και τα τσιτατα απο διαφορους και διαφορες υστερικες δεν μας φτανουν...
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Starmer’s Shambolic CPS, previously dubbed ‘an enemy to women’, proves he is unfit to serve as a member of parliament, let alone leader of the opposition.
Sir Keir Starmer QC, during his time as Director of Public Prosecutions.

In her role as Home Secretary, Priti Patel has already crafted the attack lines the Labour Party will face if Sir Keir Starmer becomes its next leader. After having been appointed head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in November 2008, Sir Keir’s half decade in the position oversaw cases as large and polarising as the Rochdale grooming gang scandal, mass sexual abuse scandals involving entertainment figures such as Jimmy Savile, and the John Worboys case. Patel noted Sir Keir has a complete ‘lack of interest in prosecuting horrendous crimes against women’, a statement hard to argue with when presented with his record.

Arguably the biggest scandal during his time as DPP came right at the beginning of his tenure. A victim of the Rochdale Grooming gang had reported to Greater Manchester Police the sexual exploitation she’d been experiencing since the age of 15, including becoming pregnant by one of the men abusing her. When referred to the CPS, they decided that the victim was ‘not credible’ and that due to ‘insufficient evidence’ there was an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. Victims continued to be plied with alcohol, drugs and gifts and were prostituted out to multiple men a night, multiple times a week for a further five years.

In 2011, Nazir Afzal, who was then the chief prosecutor in the North West, reopened the case. The evidence previously deemed ‘insufficient’ by Starmer’s CPS — evidence which included DNA and eventually led to 47 other victims allegations — proved vital to securing the convictions of ten men. One of the victims was still not seen as ‘credible’ enough by the CPS because, despite being abused herself, she had later assisted in recruiting other girls to be groomed. The CPS did not want to call her as a witness and had ruled it was not in the public interest to prosecute the men who had abused her, but they needed to use the victim’s evidence. The CPS chose to name this victim as a co-conspirator without informing her that she had been named on the indictment along with the men who had trafficked and raped her. This resulted in social services attempting to remove her child from her custody, and the resignation of the Detective Constable overseeing the case resigning from the force — so that he could publicly criticise the CPS’s treatment of victims.

Local authorities had previously blamed their reluctance to prosecute on the fear of being perceived as racist due to the fact the perpetrators were of South Asian origin and the victims were mostly white British girls. This reluctance and inaction saw a rise in far-right agitation across northern England; a father of one of the victims even joined the BNP for a short period over frustration at the lack of action by authorities. After significant public backlash, Sir Keir was forced to apologise for the mishandling of the case, saying that prosecutors shouldn’t “shy away” from the “issue of ethnicity” which had to be “understood and addressed”, and that ‘a number of assumptions, myths and stereotypes’ about sexual violence had resulted in the previous decision to ‘no further action’ the case.

This response feebly indicated that the CPS needed to review how staff viewed sexual violence and the treatment of victims. Unfortunately, as later demonstrated by repeated failings on such issues, any internal review that may have gone on seems to have further embedded assumptions, myths and stereotypes within the institution. Retrospectively looking at Sir Keir’s language, it is quite clear now that his wording, though seemingly confident on this issue, lacked any substance.

In 2009, whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive, police in Surrey and Sussex referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16. Savile was interviewed under caution at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, where one of the incidents allegedly took place in the seventies. Within the same month, the CPS had received the files from police, but dropped the case due to ‘insufficient evidence’’. It would later emerge after Savile’s death that he had abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period. In 2012 Emily Thornberry, Sir Keir’s former opponent in the current Labour leadership contest, stated that she found it “deeply disappointing” that the CPS was “presented with evidence of a clear pattern of sexual assaults by Savile and decided not to act.”

However, one of the most crucial cases is related to John Worboys, the black cab driver who spiked the drinks of scores of unsuspecting women before sexually assaulting them while they were unconscious in the back of his taxi. Worboys was convicted in 2009 of 19 charges against 12 women. It was suspected that there were over 100 more victims. But Sir Keir ruled not to pursue further charges. What is most interesting about the case is that Carrie Symonds, the current partner of Boris Johnson, was a victim of Worboys. If Sir Keir is elected Labour’s next leader elected, the party would face a situation where they would have not only failed to elect a woman leader, but they would also elected a man who oversaw the mishandling of a high-profile rape case involving the prime minister’s partner.

Sir Keir also oversaw the dramatic decline in the prosecution rate of rape cases as a result of the introduction of new guidance which led to police referring fewer cases to the CPS for charging decisions. The guidance saw an increase in the burden of proof from 50% to 60% which resulted in more complex cases that were more difficult to prosecute being dropped, with thousands of victims seeing their cases ‘no further actioned’ due to ‘insufficient evidence’ and an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. These are the same things the victims of both Savile and the Rochdale grooming gang were originally told, which points to systemic failures resulting in untold numbers of abusers walking free without ever facing trial.

A senior Met officer told the Bureau of Investigative Journalism that ‘referrals (to the CPS) had dropped as a result of policy change put in place in response to the CPS director’s 2011 guidance on charging’. This has contributed to the current crisis in the criminal justice system where campaigners have described rape as being ‘effectively decriminalised’. As a result, the End Violence Against Women and Girls Coalition and Centre for Women’s Justice have brought a judicial review against the CPS for their failure to prosecute rape cases.

Sir Keir also failed to end the process of survivors who are disbelieved by authorities, or who withdraw their allegations from being charged for ‘false reporting’. The fear of false accusations is hugely disproportionate to the frequency of this occurrence. False allegations are extremely rare, ones that are labelled as ‘false’ often result in being true years later or are legitimate allegations that were withdrawn under pressure from the attacker, family and friends or the police.

After Sir Keir’s resignation from the role, he called on the CPS to implement changes to how rape cases were investigated and even helped the Labour Party draw up a victim’s law outlining how it could be done. This was after he had the power to push for these changes himself within the institution. Instead he left deeply held biases and myths go mostly unchallenged, allowing for a culture of disbelief to continue, paving the way for the further decline of conviction rates. Survivors deserve support and justice, but Sir Keir reserved that for a small few choosing suspicion first and foremost, even in cases with multiple victims like the Rochdale grooming gang and Jimmy Savile scandals.

As shown when it comes to sexual violence, Sir Keir is not a man of principle, he won’t champion justice or stand up for human rights, he will actively deny you them. Sir Keir doesn’t believe sex crimes to be in the public interest to prosecute. Evidence of this is on public record for all to see. If Labour Party members ignore Sir Keir’s history at the CPS we risk sending a damning message that his previous judgements as DPP do not matter and by extension those victims who were let down don’t either.

Lucy Nevitt?

Αυτη η Lucy Nevitt?
Battle twin sisters sued by the man they reported for sexual assault
https://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/cr ... lt-3151269

( η ιστορια με τον Σταρμερ και τους sex offenders συζητηθηκε στο κοινοβουλιο. Ακομα και o προεδρος της βουλης και ο chief whip απολογηθηκαν)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... lian-smith
Smith, the former Conservative Northern Ireland secretary and chief whip, said Johnson’s comments about the child sexual abuser were unacceptable. The claim has been promoted by far-right conspiracist Facebook groups.


“The smear made against Keir Starmer relating to Jimmy Savile yesterday is wrong and cannot be defended,” he tweeted. “It should be withdrawn. False and baseless personal slurs are dangerous, corrode trust and can’t just be accepted as part of the cut and thrust of parliamentary debate.”
[/quote]
The factchecking organisation Full Fact looked into the claim in June 2020. It found: “Mr Starmer was head of the [Crown Prosecution Service] when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case.”
απλα επικαφαλης ήταν δεν ήταν δική του η υπόθεση :smt047 :clown:
κλειδωσε βραβείο taperman o twotierkier
Dolce et decorum est contra pasok.* pugnatre
@gov.gr : «You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war.»
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εδω ειναι το νημα που τυποι που παριστανουν τους νδημοκρατες στηριζουν αριστερα στο ΗΒ ...?
η προσοχη μας στο Καστελοριζο
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Chilloutbuddy έγραψε: 07 Αύγ 2024, 01:19

Κατά τάλλα για ποιό λόγο νομίζεις ότι η ζωή κάποιου που δουλεύει στο Λονδίνο είναι διαφορετική από κάποιου Αγγλου που δουλεύει στο Λονδίνο, και γιατί νομίζεις ότι οι μετανάστες στην Αγγλία μένουν ξεχωριστά απ'τους ντόπιους;
φυσικα αν ακουγα το αντιθετο θα ελεγα τα αντιθετα που ειπα .δεν εχω προσωπικα μαζι τους
ομως ισχυουν αυτα που γραφω και ισως να οφειλεται οτι μας ερχονται τα πιο λιμα

ενα χαρακτηριστικο αυτο -γιατι το κρατος δεν μας δινει τα σπιτια που δεν κατοικουνται
γιατι δεν μας δινει τα χωραφια να τα καλλιεργησουμε γιατι αυτο και γιατι το αλλο
μια ινδη κοπελα καπου 19 ετων γεννημενη στην ελλαδα βιασθηκε απο 3 4 πακιστανους
η αστυνομια ηρθε ειδε και εφυγε ουτε καν ερευνησε το θεμα ....και ποσους ακομη βιασμους
σε ελληνιδες που δεν τις ακουμε ..λογω θρησκειας μενουν αγαμητοι μεχρι να παντρευτουν
καθε γυναικα αν βρεθει μονη και σε μοναχικα μερη κινδυνευει ανεξαιρετως ηλικιας
επισης εμεις σαν ορθοδοξοι εχουμε εθιμα που τους ενοχλουν σε σχεση με τους καθολικους
καμπανες πασχα χριστουγεννα κλπ ολα αυτα εινα φιτιλι στην ψυχη τους
εδω ενοχλουν τους αριστερους να φανταστεις

υσ..ξεχασα να σου πω εκεινο που με τρελαινει πραγματικα θεωρουν την ελλαδα πεθαμενη
και οτι σε λιγα χρονια θα ειναι μουσουλμανικη χωρα
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Starmer’s Shambolic CPS
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Starmer’s Shambolic CPS, previously dubbed ‘an enemy to women’, proves he is unfit to serve as a member of parliament, let alone leader of the opposition.
Sir Keir Starmer QC, during his time as Director of Public Prosecutions.

In her role as Home Secretary, Priti Patel has already crafted the attack lines the Labour Party will face if Sir Keir Starmer becomes its next leader. After having been appointed head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in November 2008, Sir Keir’s half decade in the position oversaw cases as large and polarising as the Rochdale grooming gang scandal, mass sexual abuse scandals involving entertainment figures such as Jimmy Savile, and the John Worboys case. Patel noted Sir Keir has a complete ‘lack of interest in prosecuting horrendous crimes against women’, a statement hard to argue with when presented with his record.

Arguably the biggest scandal during his time as DPP came right at the beginning of his tenure. A victim of the Rochdale Grooming gang had reported to Greater Manchester Police the sexual exploitation she’d been experiencing since the age of 15, including becoming pregnant by one of the men abusing her. When referred to the CPS, they decided that the victim was ‘not credible’ and that due to ‘insufficient evidence’ there was an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. Victims continued to be plied with alcohol, drugs and gifts and were prostituted out to multiple men a night, multiple times a week for a further five years.

In 2011, Nazir Afzal, who was then the chief prosecutor in the North West, reopened the case. The evidence previously deemed ‘insufficient’ by Starmer’s CPS — evidence which included DNA and eventually led to 47 other victims allegations — proved vital to securing the convictions of ten men. One of the victims was still not seen as ‘credible’ enough by the CPS because, despite being abused herself, she had later assisted in recruiting other girls to be groomed. The CPS did not want to call her as a witness and had ruled it was not in the public interest to prosecute the men who had abused her, but they needed to use the victim’s evidence. The CPS chose to name this victim as a co-conspirator without informing her that she had been named on the indictment along with the men who had trafficked and raped her. This resulted in social services attempting to remove her child from her custody, and the resignation of the Detective Constable overseeing the case resigning from the force — so that he could publicly criticise the CPS’s treatment of victims.

Local authorities had previously blamed their reluctance to prosecute on the fear of being perceived as racist due to the fact the perpetrators were of South Asian origin and the victims were mostly white British girls. This reluctance and inaction saw a rise in far-right agitation across northern England; a father of one of the victims even joined the BNP for a short period over frustration at the lack of action by authorities. After significant public backlash, Sir Keir was forced to apologise for the mishandling of the case, saying that prosecutors shouldn’t “shy away” from the “issue of ethnicity” which had to be “understood and addressed”, and that ‘a number of assumptions, myths and stereotypes’ about sexual violence had resulted in the previous decision to ‘no further action’ the case.

This response feebly indicated that the CPS needed to review how staff viewed sexual violence and the treatment of victims. Unfortunately, as later demonstrated by repeated failings on such issues, any internal review that may have gone on seems to have further embedded assumptions, myths and stereotypes within the institution. Retrospectively looking at Sir Keir’s language, it is quite clear now that his wording, though seemingly confident on this issue, lacked any substance.

In 2009, whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive, police in Surrey and Sussex referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16. Savile was interviewed under caution at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, where one of the incidents allegedly took place in the seventies. Within the same month, the CPS had received the files from police, but dropped the case due to ‘insufficient evidence’’. It would later emerge after Savile’s death that he had abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period. In 2012 Emily Thornberry, Sir Keir’s former opponent in the current Labour leadership contest, stated that she found it “deeply disappointing” that the CPS was “presented with evidence of a clear pattern of sexual assaults by Savile and decided not to act.”

However, one of the most crucial cases is related to John Worboys, the black cab driver who spiked the drinks of scores of unsuspecting women before sexually assaulting them while they were unconscious in the back of his taxi. Worboys was convicted in 2009 of 19 charges against 12 women. It was suspected that there were over 100 more victims. But Sir Keir ruled not to pursue further charges. What is most interesting about the case is that Carrie Symonds, the current partner of Boris Johnson, was a victim of Worboys. If Sir Keir is elected Labour’s next leader elected, the party would face a situation where they would have not only failed to elect a woman leader, but they would also elected a man who oversaw the mishandling of a high-profile rape case involving the prime minister’s partner.

Sir Keir also oversaw the dramatic decline in the prosecution rate of rape cases as a result of the introduction of new guidance which led to police referring fewer cases to the CPS for charging decisions. The guidance saw an increase in the burden of proof from 50% to 60% which resulted in more complex cases that were more difficult to prosecute being dropped, with thousands of victims seeing their cases ‘no further actioned’ due to ‘insufficient evidence’ and an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. These are the same things the victims of both Savile and the Rochdale grooming gang were originally told, which points to systemic failures resulting in untold numbers of abusers walking free without ever facing trial.

A senior Met officer told the Bureau of Investigative Journalism that ‘referrals (to the CPS) had dropped as a result of policy change put in place in response to the CPS director’s 2011 guidance on charging’. This has contributed to the current crisis in the criminal justice system where campaigners have described rape as being ‘effectively decriminalised’. As a result, the End Violence Against Women and Girls Coalition and Centre for Women’s Justice have brought a judicial review against the CPS for their failure to prosecute rape cases.

Sir Keir also failed to end the process of survivors who are disbelieved by authorities, or who withdraw their allegations from being charged for ‘false reporting’. The fear of false accusations is hugely disproportionate to the frequency of this occurrence. False allegations are extremely rare, ones that are labelled as ‘false’ often result in being true years later or are legitimate allegations that were withdrawn under pressure from the attacker, family and friends or the police.

After Sir Keir’s resignation from the role, he called on the CPS to implement changes to how rape cases were investigated and even helped the Labour Party draw up a victim’s law outlining how it could be done. This was after he had the power to push for these changes himself within the institution. Instead he left deeply held biases and myths go mostly unchallenged, allowing for a culture of disbelief to continue, paving the way for the further decline of conviction rates. Survivors deserve support and justice, but Sir Keir reserved that for a small few choosing suspicion first and foremost, even in cases with multiple victims like the Rochdale grooming gang and Jimmy Savile scandals.

As shown when it comes to sexual violence, Sir Keir is not a man of principle, he won’t champion justice or stand up for human rights, he will actively deny you them. Sir Keir doesn’t believe sex crimes to be in the public interest to prosecute. Evidence of this is on public record for all to see. If Labour Party members ignore Sir Keir’s history at the CPS we risk sending a damning message that his previous judgements as DPP do not matter and by extension those victims who were let down don’t either.
https://medium.com/@lucynevitt/starmers ... fabd38bb6d
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Μιλάμε για απίστευτο θρασύπουστα δηλαδή! Τον θεωρούσα μαλάκα αλλά τελικά είναι κάτι πολύ χειρότερο.

Αυτή η οδηγία θα ήταν αρκετή για μένα για να μην ψηφίσω κάποιον πολιτικό αν σκόπευα να το κάνω.
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Το ότι κυκλοφορούν μπουγιο στους δρόμους με κουκούλες και απειλητικές διαθέσεις και ουρλιάζοντας δεν αρκεί;

Το μόνο που θα πάρει καιρό είναι η προσμονή σου για το "ξεκαθάρισμα". Δεν πρόκειται λέμε. Τους βλέπει σαν "συμμάχους". Αν δεν τους ζήτησε κιόλας αυτός να κατεβούν στους δρόμους.
Μπουγιο με κουκουλες κλπ ουρλιαζοντας, ειναι βεβαια λιγο διαφορετικο απο πογκρομ με πεσιματα η' μπαχαλα με καταστροφη περιουσιας, αλλα εαν οι αρχες κρινουν τοτε θα μοιρασουν ASBOS που θα παει συννεφο. Το οτι τους βλεπει σα συμμαχους η' μπορει και να τους ζητησε να κατεβουν στους δρομους αυτος ειναι προσωπικη εκτιμηση, εκτος εαν εχεις καποιο στοιχειο.
Δύο σε ένα υπάρχουν στο βίντεο με τον λευκό ιδιοκτήτη καφετέριας. Το ότι τους βλέπει σαν συμμάχους είναι ολοφάνερο. Τους αφήνει να κατεβαίνουν στον δρόμμο για να τρομοκρατήσουν τον κόσμο που αντιδρά στην λαθρομετανάστευση. Αν δεν τους έβλεπε σαν συμμάχους θα τους είχε μαζέψει. Οι τύποι κατεβαίνουν οπλισμένοι με μαχαίρια, τί άλλο χρειάζεται δηλαδή; Αυτό είναι στοιχείο.
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