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στρατιωτικές εξελιξεις στην Ουκρανία
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χανει οριστικα το ντονμπας η Ουκρανια
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Για δικά μας εδάφη ρε?sharp έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 12:55Και χαζός και παραμυθάς και κουραστικός. Εσύ μίλησες για παραβιάσεις. Στα Ίμια τι έγινε, βρέθηκαν κοντά στον πόλεμο ή όχι; Κοιμήσου τώρα και βλέπε γερμανούχτεν στον ύπνο σου.Kauldron έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 12:49Ούτε καν οι Τούρκοι, όμως, δε λένε οτι κάνουμε εμείς παραβιάσεις.sharp έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 12:48
Οι Τούρκοι λένε ότι δεν κάνουν παραβιάσεις. Γιατί δεν πιστεύεις την Ουκρανική προπαγάνδα και πιστεύεις την Ελληνική;
Αλλά όταν κάποιος είναι Γερμανούχτεν και οχι Έλληνας, το πάει πιο πέρα κι απ' τους ίδιους τους Τούρκους.
Ισαποστάκιας για τα ελληνοτουρκικά, αλλά φούλ Σλαβαουκραίνης.
Τελευταία επεξεργασία από το μέλος Kauldron την 22 Μαρ 2022, 13:06, έχει επεξεργασθεί 1 φορά συνολικά.
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Ετοιμάζονται για την Αντε-πίθεση που μας λένε εδώ μέσα.Aprilianos έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 12:58 https://twitter.com/Tom_Fowdy/status/15 ... z9lecpAAAA
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Σβήσε το σχόλιό σου.sharp έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 13:04..............Kauldron έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 13:03Για δικά μας εδάφη ρε?sharp έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 12:55
Και χαζός και παραμυθάς και κουραστικός. Εσύ μίλησες για παραβιάσεις. Στα Ίμια τι έγινε, βρέθηκαν κοντά στον πόλεμο ή όχι; Κοιμήσου τώρα και βλέπε γερμανούχτεν στον ύπνο σου.
Ισαποστάκιας για τα ελληνοτουρκικά, αλλά φούλ Σλαβαουκραίνης.
Λέγε κι άλλα, να φαίνεται ποιοί είναι οι ελληνόφωνοι.
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Άντε, επειδή σε αγαπάω κατά βάθος.
Αλλά ρε παιδί μου, δυσκολεύεσαι να ξεχωρίσεις την πολιτική από την πραγματικότητα. Σκέψου το λίγο.
Re: στρατιωτικές εξελιξεις στην Ουκρανία
Το νήμα αφορά τις στρατιωτικές εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία.
Η πραγματικότητα είναι το συμφέρον της χώρας μας, οχι του ΝΑΤΟ.
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Τους λιανίσανε τους Ρώσους στο Κίεβο, πάει, υποχωρούν άτακτα...
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Δεν θα συνεχίσω στο οφ τόπικ.Kauldron έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 13:20Το νήμα αφορά τις στρατιωτικές εξελίξεις στην Ουκρανία.
Η πραγματικότητα είναι το συμφέρον της χώρας μας, οχι του ΝΑΤΟ.
Στο μέλλον, αφού σε ενοχλούν τέτοιοι χαρακτηρισμοί, να τους αποφεύγεις και συ.
Το ποιος είναι πατριώτης δεν περιμένουμε να μάς το πεις, και σίγουρα δεν μετριέται με εθνικιστικές υστερίες στα φόρα.
Re: στρατιωτικές εξελιξεις στην Ουκρανία
Αν αντέξουν 3 βδομάδες τελείωσε ο πόλεμος και ο φασίστας τα μαζεύει
Re: στρατιωτικές εξελιξεις στην Ουκρανία
Πάντως πατριώτης δεν είναι σίγουρα αυτός που είναι ΝΑΤΟ ούμπερ άλλες, και "στρατηγέ μου, ιδού το στράτευμά σου".
εν τω μεταξυ, κι αλλος εξοπλισμος καταφθάνει για ν' αντιμετωπιστούν τα τσιράκια της ΝΤΠ:
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εν τω μεταξυ, κι αλλος εξοπλισμος καταφθάνει για ν' αντιμετωπιστούν τα τσιράκια της ΝΤΠ:
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ένα άρθρο για το πως οι Ρώσοι μετά τις δύο πρώτες βδομάδες έχουν αλλάξει τις τακτικές τους και έχουν προσαρμοστεί απέναντι στην άμυνα που αντιτάσσουν οι Ουκρανοί
They own the long clock’ — How the Russian military is starting to adapt in Ukraine
“They own the long clock,” a senior Ukrainian officer recently admitted. “We are calculating time not in weeks or days – but in lives.”
BY ANDREW MILBURN | PUBLISHED MAR 21, 2022 1:43 PM
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Russian armor moving through Ukraine. (Photo: Russian Ministry of Defense).
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KYIV, Ukraine — The commander and staff of a Russian battalion take over a home near the Ukrainian town of Irpin north of Kyiv. They demand food from the elderly woman living there, and she reluctantly complies. She’s alone; her husband is dead, and her son is away in the army. While preparing the food she adds a liberal dose of laxatives to the commander’s meal. These soon take effect, and as his subordinates settle down for the night, the commander rushes to the wooden outhouse – a common fixture of rural Ukrainian homes even in the 21st century. The woman waits until he is mid-void before dousing the sides of the outhouse with gasoline and setting it alight. By the time his horrified companions break down the door, the commander is charbroiled, and the woman is gone.
The story has been told to me so often that I can fill in the gaps the narrator might miss. It invariably ends in fits of laughter among Ukrainians – even the nice woman who told me the story first during the train ride from Warsaw to Lviv giggled irrepressibly at the punchline. She was an artist and poet before the war. Now she was returning to Kyiv, where, she told me without bravado, she intends to resume her volunteer work at a kitchen, set up to feed soldiers defending the capital, and then, if necessary, to take as many Russians with her as she can.
“What about your children?” I ask her. She had told me they were in Hungary with her ex-husband. “I am doing this for my children,” she replied.
This is the second dispatch from Andrew Milburn, who is on assignment for Task & Purpose in Ukraine. Read his first here.
The theme of Ukrainian resilience and determination is a real one of course. For every urban myth — the Ghost of Kyiv, the martyrs of Snake Island — there are dozens of real stories that underscore its ubiquity and power. I see it now as members of the Territorial Defense Force – an organization that until a month ago was about one-fifth of its current size — prepare to defend Kyiv with a confidence that is at the same time both inspiring and, given their inexperience, a little troubling. In this conflict, myth and reality are fused to such an extent that there is now a real danger that the Ukrainians will find themselves on the wrong side of that fine line between confidence and complacency, just as the Russians begin to reflect and adapt. And Russian military commanders will adapt because they have no other viable option. Perhaps nothing but complete Ukrainian humiliation will satisfy their president. While Putin talks of the West with a tone of casual contempt, he rages about Ukraine with a vehemence that is clearly visceral. He did so even before the war, and now, after tens of thousands of apparent Russian casualties, he is unlikely to compromise. Any ceasefire will be a chance for the Russians to consolidate and prepare for the next step.
The Russians are already adapting, and by doing so are narrowing the Ukrainians’ tactical edge. The one-sided culling of Russian armored columns that characterized the opening days of the war, and kept YouTube subscribers around the world happy, are a thing of the past. The Russians now lead their formations with electronic attack, drones, lasers and good-old-fashioned reconnaissance by fire. They are using cruise missiles and saboteur teams to target logistics routes, manufacturing plants, and training bases in western Ukraine. Realizing that the Ukrainians lack thermal sights for their stinger missile launchers, the Russians have switched all air operations to after dark. It may be for this same reason that Russian cruise missile strikes in western and southern Ukraine have also been at nighttime.
‘They own the long clock’ — How the Russian military is starting to adapt in Ukraine
Servicemen of Ukrainian Military Forces move to their position prior to the battle with Russian troops and Russia-backed separatists in the Luhansk region on March 8, 2022. (Photo by Anatolii Stepanov / AFP) (Photo by ANATOLII STEPANOV/AFP via Getty Images)
The Russians have learned to play to their strengths. While Ukrainian soldiers mock their Russian counterparts, they are deeply respectful of Russian artillery, an asset that the Russians are using more frequently to compensate for their infantry’s deficiencies. Several snipers I spoke with recently agreed that the Russians’ indirect fire capability was the most concerning — a result of sheer reckless mass rather than technical skill. They told some hair-raising stories to illustrate their point, and one amusing one: Ukrainian soldiers defending Kyiv commute to the battle in their own vehicles. After a recent three-day insertion, the sniper teams returned to their extraction site to find their cars all flattened by Russian artillery – a contingency apparently not covered by their insurance plans.
Overconfidence may obscure for the Ukrainians one salient fact about this conflict: Time is not on their side. They have fought a skillful and determined defense, but have also had the advantage of home turf, interior lines and the inherent superiority enjoyed by a defender with well-prepared positions, cutting-edge weapons and clear fields of fire. The question now is whether they can pivot to the offense, with its requirement for more comprehensive planning, faster than the Russians can adapt. If not, a prolonged conflict seems likely, and in a war of attrition, the Russians — with a military four times that of Ukraine — will inevitably have the upper hand.
“They own the long clock,” a senior Ukrainian officer recently admitted. “We are calculating time not in weeks or days – but in lives.”
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian ... s-ukraine/
They own the long clock’ — How the Russian military is starting to adapt in Ukraine
“They own the long clock,” a senior Ukrainian officer recently admitted. “We are calculating time not in weeks or days – but in lives.”
BY ANDREW MILBURN | PUBLISHED MAR 21, 2022 1:43 PM
NEWS
russian armor
Russian armor moving through Ukraine. (Photo: Russian Ministry of Defense).
SHARE
KYIV, Ukraine — The commander and staff of a Russian battalion take over a home near the Ukrainian town of Irpin north of Kyiv. They demand food from the elderly woman living there, and she reluctantly complies. She’s alone; her husband is dead, and her son is away in the army. While preparing the food she adds a liberal dose of laxatives to the commander’s meal. These soon take effect, and as his subordinates settle down for the night, the commander rushes to the wooden outhouse – a common fixture of rural Ukrainian homes even in the 21st century. The woman waits until he is mid-void before dousing the sides of the outhouse with gasoline and setting it alight. By the time his horrified companions break down the door, the commander is charbroiled, and the woman is gone.
The story has been told to me so often that I can fill in the gaps the narrator might miss. It invariably ends in fits of laughter among Ukrainians – even the nice woman who told me the story first during the train ride from Warsaw to Lviv giggled irrepressibly at the punchline. She was an artist and poet before the war. Now she was returning to Kyiv, where, she told me without bravado, she intends to resume her volunteer work at a kitchen, set up to feed soldiers defending the capital, and then, if necessary, to take as many Russians with her as she can.
“What about your children?” I ask her. She had told me they were in Hungary with her ex-husband. “I am doing this for my children,” she replied.
This is the second dispatch from Andrew Milburn, who is on assignment for Task & Purpose in Ukraine. Read his first here.
The theme of Ukrainian resilience and determination is a real one of course. For every urban myth — the Ghost of Kyiv, the martyrs of Snake Island — there are dozens of real stories that underscore its ubiquity and power. I see it now as members of the Territorial Defense Force – an organization that until a month ago was about one-fifth of its current size — prepare to defend Kyiv with a confidence that is at the same time both inspiring and, given their inexperience, a little troubling. In this conflict, myth and reality are fused to such an extent that there is now a real danger that the Ukrainians will find themselves on the wrong side of that fine line between confidence and complacency, just as the Russians begin to reflect and adapt. And Russian military commanders will adapt because they have no other viable option. Perhaps nothing but complete Ukrainian humiliation will satisfy their president. While Putin talks of the West with a tone of casual contempt, he rages about Ukraine with a vehemence that is clearly visceral. He did so even before the war, and now, after tens of thousands of apparent Russian casualties, he is unlikely to compromise. Any ceasefire will be a chance for the Russians to consolidate and prepare for the next step.
The Russians are already adapting, and by doing so are narrowing the Ukrainians’ tactical edge. The one-sided culling of Russian armored columns that characterized the opening days of the war, and kept YouTube subscribers around the world happy, are a thing of the past. The Russians now lead their formations with electronic attack, drones, lasers and good-old-fashioned reconnaissance by fire. They are using cruise missiles and saboteur teams to target logistics routes, manufacturing plants, and training bases in western Ukraine. Realizing that the Ukrainians lack thermal sights for their stinger missile launchers, the Russians have switched all air operations to after dark. It may be for this same reason that Russian cruise missile strikes in western and southern Ukraine have also been at nighttime.
‘They own the long clock’ — How the Russian military is starting to adapt in Ukraine
Servicemen of Ukrainian Military Forces move to their position prior to the battle with Russian troops and Russia-backed separatists in the Luhansk region on March 8, 2022. (Photo by Anatolii Stepanov / AFP) (Photo by ANATOLII STEPANOV/AFP via Getty Images)
The Russians have learned to play to their strengths. While Ukrainian soldiers mock their Russian counterparts, they are deeply respectful of Russian artillery, an asset that the Russians are using more frequently to compensate for their infantry’s deficiencies. Several snipers I spoke with recently agreed that the Russians’ indirect fire capability was the most concerning — a result of sheer reckless mass rather than technical skill. They told some hair-raising stories to illustrate their point, and one amusing one: Ukrainian soldiers defending Kyiv commute to the battle in their own vehicles. After a recent three-day insertion, the sniper teams returned to their extraction site to find their cars all flattened by Russian artillery – a contingency apparently not covered by their insurance plans.
Overconfidence may obscure for the Ukrainians one salient fact about this conflict: Time is not on their side. They have fought a skillful and determined defense, but have also had the advantage of home turf, interior lines and the inherent superiority enjoyed by a defender with well-prepared positions, cutting-edge weapons and clear fields of fire. The question now is whether they can pivot to the offense, with its requirement for more comprehensive planning, faster than the Russians can adapt. If not, a prolonged conflict seems likely, and in a war of attrition, the Russians — with a military four times that of Ukraine — will inevitably have the upper hand.
“They own the long clock,” a senior Ukrainian officer recently admitted. “We are calculating time not in weeks or days – but in lives.”
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/russian ... s-ukraine/
"Υπάρχουν στιγμές στις οποίες ένας λαός οφείλει ,αν θέλει να μείνει μεγάλος ,να είναι ικανός να πολεμήσει ...Έστω και χωρίς ελπίδα νίκης. Μόνο διότι πρέπει "
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Είκονες από Ουκρανικά Τ64 δεν ξέρω που .Ίσως στο Κίεβο που υπάρχουν επιθέσεις του Ουκρανικού στρατού για να διώξει από κάποια σημεία των Ρωσικό στρατό
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"Υπάρχουν στιγμές στις οποίες ένας λαός οφείλει ,αν θέλει να μείνει μεγάλος ,να είναι ικανός να πολεμήσει ...Έστω και χωρίς ελπίδα νίκης. Μόνο διότι πρέπει "
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Εκεί που είναι τα Τ-64 δεν πάτησαν Ρώσοι από την έναρξη του πολέμου. Νότια του Κιέβου στην Mareanivka.
Для пользы дела мне необходимы военные полномочия. В таком случае я буду сам, без формальностей свергать тех командармов и комиссаров, которые губят дело. Так мне подсказывают интересы дела, и, конечно, отсутствие бумажки от Троцкого меня не остановит.
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sharp έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 15:05 Αν αντέξουν 3 βδομάδες τελείωσε ο πόλεμος και ο φασίστας τα μαζεύει
Να αντεξουν; Εγω νομιζα πως νικανε.
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Πάλι θα τους βαρέσουν ρωσικοί πύραυλοι και θα κλαίγονται επειδή κάποιος μαλάκας ανέβασε σε twitter και tik tok κινήσεις ουκρανικών δυνάμεων...hades έγραψε: 22 Μαρ 2022, 16:43 Είκονες από Ουκρανικά Τ64 δεν ξέρω που .Ίσως στο Κίεβο που υπάρχουν επιθέσεις του Ουκρανικού στρατού για να διώξει από κάποια σημεία των Ρωσικό στρατό
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