Εσένα δηλαδή σε πειράζει που δεν βγήκα να καταδικάσωBlastFromThePast έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:02Κάνε την αρχή και κρίνε το εσύ να δούμε.
κάποιους στις ΗΠΑ 
αλλά δεν σε πειράζει να γράφονται ψέματα, ένω του έχω από το πρωί ότι δεν ισχύει ο λόγος. Καλός είσαι και του λόγου σου.Jolly Roger έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:00τέκνικλυ, στην Αριζόνα πήγαν με γκάνια για να συνεχίσει το μέτρημα μπας και το γυρίσει ο περούκας.
στο Μίτσιγκαν πήγαν με γκάνια για να μη συνεχίσει το μέτρημα και χάσει ο περούκας.
As the country waited anxiously for the result of an election that had yet to be called on Wednesday, the tension extended to the streets of many American cities.
In Phoenix, Trump supporters converged on a county recorder’s office to demand that all votes be counted — while officials were inside, busily counting votes in a state where Democratic nominee Joe Biden was ahead.
In Detroit, meanwhile, a pro-Trump crowd demanded that authorities stop counting votes in the state, arguing that their poll observers had been unfairly treated.
It was a discordant response from supporters of the president on a day that also included protests by leftwing groups around the country calling for all votes to be counted, and by activists calling for racial justice, as the New York Times reported. Some of these protesters were arrested, with officers in riot gear “kettling” demonstrators in Manhattan. “Why are you in riot gear? We don’t see no riot here,” some protesters chanted in response.
Protests and unrest were widely expected in the wake of Tuesday’s election, given the president’s repeated refusal to say whether he’d accept the results — as well as his years-long history of stoking animosity against Democrats and the steady drumbeat of popular protest against his administration.
Indeed, while activist groups have led demonstrations around the country calling for those results to be tabulated fairly, the president has pursued a strategy of trying to stop counts in swing states where he looks ahead (and in some cases where he doesn’t), while issuing baseless allegations of fraud in places where he’s been declared the loser. And his supporters — some of them armed — are trying to follow his confusing lead.
Protests took place around the country — but with very different goals
Demonstrations took place across the country on Wednesday, both in swing states and in Democratic strongholds. And while both Trump supporters and leftwing activists were in the streets, they had very different reasons for being there. Here’s a rundown of some of the protest activity so far:
In Phoenix, about 150 pro-Trump protesters, some with guns, demonstrated outside the Maricopa County recorder’s office, where votes were being counted, according to the Times. A key swing state this year, Arizona was called for Biden by Fox News on Tuesday night, but other outlets have yet to call the state, and Biden’s lead has narrowed as more Maricopa ballots have been counted.
County officials have been working late into the night to tabulate the remaining votes, but some pro-Trump protesters made baseless claims that ballots were being discarded. Demonstrators chanted “stop the steal,” a slogan that has been gaining popularity in right-wing social media circles based on Trump’s false claims that the election is being stolen from him.
Sheriff’s deputies arrived in response to the growing crowd, and one journalist reported leaving the area after being threatened by a protester.
In Detroit, pro-Trump poll challengers — along with some Democratic challengers — gathered outside the TCF Center on Wednesday as votes were counted. Michigan, which Hillary Clinton narrowly lost in 2016, was called for Biden on Wednesday. But there, as elsewhere, Trump has falsely claimed victory — and Republican poll challengers at TCF Center pounded on windows and shouted “Let us in” and “Stop the count,” according to the Detroit Free Press.
A limited number of certified poll challengers of both parties were also allowed inside the center, where some say Republican challengers intimidated ballot counters by taking their masks off, getting too close, and demanding that they stop counting. Republicans, meanwhile, argued that not enough challengers from their party were being allowed in the center, and the Trump campaign filed a lawsuit charging that Michigan had denied the campaign “meaningful access” to the count. But as in Arizona, the counting continued. “We will not allow ANYONE to distract us from the job at hand,” Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey said in a statement Wednesday.
In Minneapolis, the site of many racial justice protests after George Floyd was killed by police there earlier this year, hundreds of protesters marched onto the I-94 freeway in an action that had been planned prior to the election, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
Protesters were there to demonstrate against President Trump’s policies and his false statements claiming victory in the election. “Our focus is on not allowing Donald Trump to steal this election from the American people,” Nekima Levy Armstrong, a lawyer and demonstrator, told the Times. But some speakers also expressed little confidence in a President Biden and said protests would continue even if he is elected.
Police arrested multiple protesters, charging them with trespassing and unlawful assembly for being on the freeway. But Armstrong told the Times police were not allowing some protesters to leave the area.
In Portland, a march for racial justice converged downtown with another march opposing President Trump, according to Portland’s KPTV. Demonstrators carried signs reading “Count every vote” and “Black lives matter.” Members of the anti-Trump group later broke windows at a hotel and a church, according to OregonLive, and police arrested at least 11 people. Oregon Gov. Kate Brown also called in the state’s National Guard to respond to the protest.
In Manhattan, demonstrators gathered Wednesday at the New York Public Library before marching to Washington Square Park, calling for all votes to be counted as well as racial justice and police defunding, according to the Times. When the march reached the West Village, police used the tactic of kettling, or trapping protesters in a confined space, and made at least 58 arrests, accusing protesters of blocking subway entrances, setting trash can fires, or throwing eggs. One demonstrator, Chloe Hartstein, told the Times that police had arrested her friend as he walked down Sixth Ave. and put him in the back of a police van. “They didn’t give a reason for his arrest,” she said. “They just took him.”
The tension between Trump supporters and progressives existed long before Election Day, as Trump spent much of the last few months predicting that Democrats would try to steal the election while signaling that he might not concede. And the protests both in favor of and against counting all the votes will surely continue until the election is called. Depending on the president’s response to any call, they may well continue afterward as well, as Americans respond to the words and deeds of a president known for stoking chaos at every turn.
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Dozens of Donald Trump supporters converged on a vote-counting centre in the key battleground state of Arizona as election staff continued to plough through uncounted ballots with local sheriff’s deputies posted outside.
The protesters, some of whom the local TV network ABC 15 Arizona reported were carrying weapons, briefly attempted to push inside the centre on Wednesday evening before being asked to leave. They appeared to be a mixture of Trump supporters and several far-right figures familiar at demonstrations in the state.
Arizona has been called by some media outlets for the Democratic challenger, Joe Biden, who holds a slim lead in the state. But the Trump campaign has tried to insist it has the votes to overtake Biden, who has a 69,000 lead, according to the most recent tally.
In contrast to pro-Trump protests witnessed in Michigan and Pennsylvania, where Trump supporters called for vote counts to be halted, protesters in Phoenix have been chanting “Stop the steal!” and insisting remaining ballots be tabulated.
The situation in Arizona has been complicated by the decision by Fox News and Associated Press – whose assessments are used by the Guardian – to call the state for Biden on Wednesday when there were still hundreds of thousands of votes to be counted.
On Wednesday night, with Biden’s lead narrowing in the state, a newly tallied batch of 74,000 votes from Maricopa county, benefiting Trump 59% to 41%, were released.
The remaining votes to be counted, however, mainly come from the largely Democratic Pima county, which is expected to benefit Biden. Maricopa county’s next update is not due until after 9pm ET on Thursday.
Despite the Trump campaign’s insistence that uncounted votes could swing Arizona, other observers were sceptical. The Washington Post’s analyst Philip Bump suggested that even if the advantage for Trump in the last batch of votes to be released held firm for the rest of the uncounted votes it could “close most – though not all – of the existing gap”.
The protests at the Maricopa county election centre in downtown Phoenix came as Trump insisted falsely that there were major problems with the voting and the ballot counting, especially with mail-in votes, and as Republicans filed suit in various states over the election.
Wearing Trump gear, the Phoenix protesters filled much of the parking lot at the election centre, and members of the crowd chanted: “Fox News sucks!” in anger over the network declaring Biden the winner in Arizona.
The representative Paul Gosar, an Arizona Republican and staunch Trump supporter, joined the crowd, declaring: “We’re not going to let this election be stolen. Period.”
However, observers from both major political parties were inside the election centre as ballots were processed and counted, and the procedure was livestreamed online at all times.
Several sheriff’s deputies blocked the entrance to the building and the vote-counting went on into the night, Maricopa county elections department spokeswoman Megan Gilbertson said.
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Two top county officials – one a Democrat, the other a Republican – issued a statement expressing concern about how misinformation had spread about the integrity of the election process.
“Everyone should want all the votes to be counted, whether they were mailed or cast in person,” said the statement signed by Clint Hickman, the Republican chair of the Maricopa county board of supervisors and the Democratic supervisor Steve Gallardo. “An accurate vote takes time … This is evidence of democracy, not fraud.”
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τέκνικλυ όντως στην Αριζόνα ζητούσαν να συνεχίσει η καταμέτρηση σε αντίθεση με το Ντιτρόιτ, όστοσο, πρώτα απ'όλα κάθε άνθρωπος με iq κοντά στο μέτριο, καταλαβαίνει ότι δεν έχει νόημα να μαζεύεσαι έξω απο το εκλογικό κέντρο οπλισμένος και να βαράς τα παράθυρα απαιτώντας να συνεχιστεί η ψηφοφοφορία...όσο αυτή είναι σε εξέλιξη, και επιπλέον, το να απειλείς(εκ των πραγμάτων) τους υπαλλήλους με το αυτόματο προφανώς θα έχει ακριβώς τα αντίθετα αποτελέσματα απο το να συνεχιστεί η ψηφοφορία.
Μην τρελαθούμε τελείως
Συμφωνώ μαζί σου. Και ελπίζω να παραμείνει στην θέση του αντί να έχουμε τίποτα περίεργα και καταλήξουμε με την Χάρις πλανητάρχισσα.panos291 έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:06 Ο Πρόεδρος στις ΗΠΑ δεν ελέγχεται εύκολα από το κόμμα του. Και εγώ προτιμούσα να βγει ο Τραμπ αλλά αν είναι να βγει δημοκρατικός, τουλάχιστον ας βγει ο Μπαιντεν. Πολύ καλύτερος από την βρωμιαρα Κλίντον.
Έτσι όπως τον βλέπω με χάρις πρόεδρο θα καταντήσουν οι ΗΠΑGreen Dragon έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:10Συμφωνώ μαζί σου. Και ελπίζω να παραμείνει στην θέση του αντί να έχουμε τίποτα περίεργα και καταλήξουμε με την Χάρις πλανητάρχισσα.panos291 έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:06 Ο Πρόεδρος στις ΗΠΑ δεν ελέγχεται εύκολα από το κόμμα του. Και εγώ προτιμούσα να βγει ο Τραμπ αλλά αν είναι να βγει δημοκρατικός, τουλάχιστον ας βγει ο Μπαιντεν. Πολύ καλύτερος από την βρωμιαρα Κλίντον.
Πιο πιθανό είναι με Πελόζι.hades έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:12Έτσι όπως τον βλέπω με χάρις πρόεδρο θα καταντήσουν οι ΗΠΑGreen Dragon έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:10Συμφωνώ μαζί σου. Και ελπίζω να παραμείνει στην θέση του αντί να έχουμε τίποτα περίεργα και καταλήξουμε με την Χάρις πλανητάρχισσα.panos291 έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:06 Ο Πρόεδρος στις ΗΠΑ δεν ελέγχεται εύκολα από το κόμμα του. Και εγώ προτιμούσα να βγει ο Τραμπ αλλά αν είναι να βγει δημοκρατικός, τουλάχιστον ας βγει ο Μπαιντεν. Πολύ καλύτερος από την βρωμιαρα Κλίντον.
μΑκαρι να φοιτουσα τωρα, κι ας μην εσπρωχνα.
αλλη κοπελουδα αυτη ... οι 80αρες ισον με 4 20αρεςGiorgos έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:16Πιο πιθανό είναι με Πελόζι.hades έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:12Έτσι όπως τον βλέπω με χάρις πρόεδρο θα καταντήσουν οι ΗΠΑGreen Dragon έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:10
Συμφωνώ μαζί σου. Και ελπίζω να παραμείνει στην θέση του αντί να έχουμε τίποτα περίεργα και καταλήξουμε με την Χάρις πλανητάρχισσα.
63.5% θέλει ο παπού.
Ιδιαιτερα δυσκολο να γυρισει.
Σχεδον ολες οι ψηφοι ειναι απο μεγαλο αστικο κεντρο δλδ καρφωτοι μπαηντεν αλλα ειναι δυσκολο.wooded glade έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:3563.5% θέλει ο παπού.
Λίγο δυσκόλεψε αλλά όχι πολύ ως προς το ζητούμενο ποσοστό.
Το θέμα είναι τον έχει τον Τραμπ σ' αυτές τις 48,000 ;
Απλά ο πρόεδρος δεν θα κυβερνά μόνος του. Και μόνο το γεγονός ότι έχει αντιπρόεδρο απο την ακροαριστερή πτέρυγα, λέει πολλά. Θα 'ναι ένα μείγμα Κλιντονισμού στην εξωτερική πολτική και ακροαριστεράς στα ενδιαφέροντα του Σόρος (εντός κι εκτός ΗΠΑ). Μέχρι να τα σπάσουν βέβαια μεταξύ τους και να προκληθεί χάος στις ΗΠΑ, το οποίο θα επιρρεάσει φυσικά ολόκληρη τη Δύση.panos291 έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 21:06Ο Πρόεδρος στις ΗΠΑ δεν ελέγχεται εύκολα από το κόμμα του. Και εγώ προτιμούσα να βγει ο Τραμπ αλλά αν είναι να βγει δημοκρατικός, τουλάχιστον ας βγει ο Μπαιντεν. Πολύ καλύτερος από την βρωμιαρα Κλίντον.Golden Age έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 20:11Κια τετραπέρατος να είναι, η ακροαριστερά έχει αλώσει το κόμμα τους. Εαν μείνουν στην αντιπολίτευση, έχουν την ευχαίρεια να περάσουν στη ρήξη, αν και αυτό θα φέρει διχασμό πλέον με την πλάστιγγα να γυρνά υπερ της ακροαριστεράς. Στην κυβέρνηση όμως είναι επικίνδυνα τα πράγματα.panos291 έγραψε: 05 Νοέμ 2020, 17:34
Πέρα από την πλάκα, δεν πιστεύω ότι ο Μπαιντεν τα έχει χαμένα ούτε ότι είναι πιόνι, και είναι Δημοκρατικός της παλιάς σχολής και όχι κάνα πατσαουρι σαν την Χαρις. Εγώ εκτιμώ και ελπιζω ότι δεν θα έχουμε πρόβλημα.
