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elchav έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:53
foscilis έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 17:58 Το θέμα μας είναι οι διανοούμενοι κλπ πνευματικοί καλλιεργημένοι άνθρωποι που μέσα από ψαγμένους συμβολισμούς και σύνθετες αναλύσεις, ταγμένοι υποτίθεται στην πρωτοπορία της προόδου και στο να ανοίγουν τα μάτια ημών των άξεστων, καταλήγουν σε συμπεράσματα που θα γλίτωνες αρκετό χρόνο αν πήγαινες και διάβαζες κατευθείαν το τουίτερ της Ραχήλ Μακρής.
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εκτός αν είσαι τριχομούνα που αράζει Γαύδο ή 35 χρονών καραφλοκοτσίδας που αράζει με αντίσκηνο των 300 ευρώ (πληρωμένο από τη θεία Μερόπη) στη Σαμοθράκη
Ναι αλλά ο καραφλοκοτσίδας σε γαμάει καλύτερα. Μην κλωτσάς την τύχη σου.

Αλλά μπράβο για το ποίημα. Ευφράδεια, περιεχόμενο, χρώμα, καλλιτέχνης ρε. Πως διάλο όμως; Χαμαλίκια στην λαχαναγορά δεν κάνεις; :smt017
Σαν σκουπίδια τυχαία χυμένα ο πιο όμορφος κόσμος.
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Re: αντι κοβιδική, έντεχνη, αριστερή διανόηση

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John Brown Gun Club έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:57
πήζον bot έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:50 δεν του αρεσε η μουσικη αρα οι νομπελιστες που εχει μεσα δεν ειναι επιστημονες. :smt005:
πατα τον κατω. οτι λεει το αντιθετο.
ναι *Νομπελιστες*, οπως ο Ντιπακ Τσοπρα.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020 ... inaccurat/

The video is a pseudo-documentary that spins a conspiracy theory about the spread of COVID-19 over 75 minutes. Among its targets are Bill Gates, technology companies, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the pharmaceutical industry, and fact-checkers like PolitiFact and Snopes.
Spoiler
The video follows up on the shorter "Plandemic" that went viral in May (and was removed by tech companies for violating misinformation policies). It starts where its predecessor left off — a defense of false and misleading claims made by Judy Mikovits, a discredited former scientist at the National Cancer Institute — and ends with aphorisms about humanity and heroism.

Tens of millions of people saw the shorter video before social media platforms removed it for violating their policies against harmful COVID-19 misinformation. This version hasn’t received as many views, because the tech platforms were expecting it.

RELATED: Fact-checking ‘Plandemic’: A documentary full of false conspiracy theories about the coronavirus

Soon after the live feed started, Facebook blocked its users from sharing the link in posts and private messages. TikTok appeared to block searches for the term "Plandemic." Twitter added a warning message saying the link is "potentially spammy or unsafe."

Still, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool, Facebook and Instagram posts with the term "Plandemic" have received tens of thousands of combined interactions since Aug. 17. Most of that engagement appears to have been driven by Brian Rose and his organization London Real, which is behind the website that hosted "Plandemic 2" and has a history of airing falsehoods about COVID-19.

Given the potential harm caused by misinformation about the severity of COVID-19 and how to prevent the virus, we fact-checked some of the documentary’s most misleading claims.

One of the key tenets of PolitiFact is that the burden of proof is on the speaker. Like its predecessor, "Plandemic 2" falls woefully short.

Have a question about "Plandemic 2" that we didn’t answer? Send it to truthometer@politifact.com.

"In 2003, the Center for Disease Control saw the possibility of a gold strike. And that was the coronavirus outbreak that happened in Asia … they sought to patent it, and they made sure that they controlled the proprietary rights to the disease, to the virus, and to its detection and all of the measurement of it."
— David Martin, founding CEO of M∙CAM Inc.

This is misleading. It’s similar to misinformation that has spread since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

In 2003 — during the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome outbreak in China — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention applied for a patent covering the genetic material of and ways to detect the human coronavirus. Other government agencies, nonprofits and companies also filed for patents.

The CDC won its application in 2007. However, the agency does not "control the proprietary rights to" SARS, as Martin claimed in "Plandemic 2."

RELATED: Coronavirus was not a US invention

The CDC said during a 2003 media briefing the goal of the patent was to "make the virus and the products from the virus available in the public domain."

"A number of public research organisations … were compelled to file patents in respect of the genetic coding of the SARS virus," wrote Matthew Rimmer, an intellectual property law professor at the Queensland University of Technology, in the Melbourne Journal of International Law in 2004. "Such measures were promoted as ‘defensive patenting’ — a means to ensure that public research and communication were not jeopardised by commercial parties seeking exclusive private control."

Entities other than the CDC have tried developing vaccines and treatments for SARS. We reached out to the CDC for a comment, but we haven’t heard back.

"I feel quite convinced that this was a laboratory designed organism."
— Dr. Meryl Nass, internal medicine specialist

Research shows that the virus could not have been created in a lab. An article published March 17 says the genetic makeup of the coronavirus, documented by researchers from several public health organizations, does not indicate it was altered.

SARS-CoV-2, the official name of the virus that causes COVID-19, is a betacoronavirus, like Middle East Respiratory Syndrome and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. All three viruses have their origins in bats, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

RELATED: What we know about the source of the coronavirus pandemic

Specifically, scientists have linked the genetic structure of the novel coronavirus to the horseshoe bat, which is common in southern and central China. The virus is "zoonotic," meaning it sprSubheadlineead from animals to humans, according to a report from 25 international experts, including some from China and the U.S., convened by the World Health Organization.

Scientists still aren’t sure how the novel coronavirus made the jump from its intermediate host to humans. But there’s no evidence that a lab created or manipulated the virus.

"Anthony Fauci knew early as January of 2017 that we would see an outbreak before the end of 2020. Even Bill Gates, a man with no medical training, knew it was coming."
— Mikki Willis, filmmaker

This is misleading. Willis made this claim in reference to Event 201, a simulation designed to help plan for a global pandemic by bringing together business, government, and public health leaders. The event took place in October 2019 and was organized by the John Hopkins Center for Health Security World Economic Forum and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

According to Event 201’s website, the event "simulated a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic." The fictionalized scenario was planned in part because there have been two worldwide outbreaks of coronaviruses in the last 20 years.

On Jan. 24, 2020, the John Hopkins Center for Health Security released a statement clarifying that they had not been predicting the current coronavirus outbreak:

"To be clear, the Center for Health Security and partners did not make a prediction during our tabletop exercise. For the scenario, we modeled a fictional coronavirus pandemic, but we explicitly stated that it was not a prediction."

RELATED: No, Amazon’s Alexa doesn’t say 'the government' planned the coronavirus pandemic

Johns Hopkins has hosted other simulations with evocative names in recent years — including Dark Winter in 2001, Atlantic Storm in 2005, and Clade X in 2018. The World Economic Forum has said such simulations are important for preparing for the average of 200 epidemics that take place annually.

What about 2017, the year that Willis mentioned in his claim?

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a 2017 event at Georgetown University that there would be "a surprise outbreak" facing the Trump administration. But that doesn’t mean he predicted the coronavirus pandemic. Fauci talked about a wide range of diseases that emerged or intensified during his tenure at the institute, including HIV/AIDS and West Nile virus.

"A 2018 scientific study released in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health concluded that over 490,000 children in India developed paralysis as a result of the Gates-supported oral polio vaccine that was administered between the years of 2000 and 2017."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim False, as have several other fact-checkers.

The study that Willis cited is real, and it’s hosted by the U.S. National Library of Medicine. It found a correlation between non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) and polio vaccinations given between 2000 and 2017.

However, the study has received criticism for its methodology, namely for including symptoms shown by children ages five to 15 when the oral polio vaccine campaign focused on children under the age of five. And polio is just one reason children could be paralyzed — Guillain-Barre Syndrome is also a leading cause.

In a reply to some of that criticism, the authors of the 2018 paper wrote that "non-polio AFP, by its very definition, excludes polio vaccine-induced paralysis."

RELATED: Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination

The Gates Foundation has long funded groups in India and elsewhere that seek to expand access to polio immunization. In March 2014, the World Health Organization declared that its Southeast Asia region was polio-free, in part because of the kinds of mass vaccination campaigns supported by the Gates Foundation. However, the virus remains a threat in South Asian countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

According to the WHO, it is possible to contract polio from vaccines — but it’s extremely rare. The agency estimates that 1 in 2.7 million oral doses results in vaccine-associated paralytic polio.

Since the eradication of polio in India, there have been some scares of tainted vaccines. But data from the WHO show that, between 2000 and 2017, there were 17 cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.

"In partnership with MIT, Bill Gates has developed a new technology that allows vaccines to be injected under your skin, along with your medical records."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim Mostly False.

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are seeking to address vaccine tracking challenges in developing countries by creating an invisible ink that could be injected into children along with vaccines. The idea behind the research is that the dye would provide a quick, affordable way of helping health providers keep track of a child’s vaccinations.

The Gates Foundation has contributed funds for this research, and Gates has said he supports the idea of a national tracking system to monitor the virus that causes COVID-19. But Willis’ claim lacks two pieces of context.

RELATED: Post about Bill Gates’ work on vaccine tracking distorts research, timeline

First, the MIT study began in July 2016 — more than three years before the first novel coronavirus cases emerged. It was not inspired by the current outbreak. Second, there is no evidence that it has anything to do with monitoring Americans specifically.

We reached out to Willis and Rose, who founded the platform that hosted "Plandemic 2," but we haven’t heard back.

δες το ντοκ φιλε αναγνωστη και πατα τους κατω αυτους τους χρηστες.
αντι για τα αφεντικα τους θα δουλευουν για σενα.
ριξ τους πετσοκομα.
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Διαφωνούν στο εάν υπάρχει ιός. :lol:
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John Brown Gun Club έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:57
πήζον bot έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:50 δεν του αρεσε η μουσικη αρα οι νομπελιστες που εχει μεσα δεν ειναι επιστημονες. :smt005:
πατα τον κατω. οτι λεει το αντιθετο.
ναι *Νομπελιστες*, οπως ο Ντιπακ Τσοπρα.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020 ... inaccurat/

The video is a pseudo-documentary that spins a conspiracy theory about the spread of COVID-19 over 75 minutes. Among its targets are Bill Gates, technology companies, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the pharmaceutical industry, and fact-checkers like PolitiFact and Snopes.
Spoiler
The video follows up on the shorter "Plandemic" that went viral in May (and was removed by tech companies for violating misinformation policies). It starts where its predecessor left off — a defense of false and misleading claims made by Judy Mikovits, a discredited former scientist at the National Cancer Institute — and ends with aphorisms about humanity and heroism.

Tens of millions of people saw the shorter video before social media platforms removed it for violating their policies against harmful COVID-19 misinformation. This version hasn’t received as many views, because the tech platforms were expecting it.

RELATED: Fact-checking ‘Plandemic’: A documentary full of false conspiracy theories about the coronavirus

Soon after the live feed started, Facebook blocked its users from sharing the link in posts and private messages. TikTok appeared to block searches for the term "Plandemic." Twitter added a warning message saying the link is "potentially spammy or unsafe."

Still, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool, Facebook and Instagram posts with the term "Plandemic" have received tens of thousands of combined interactions since Aug. 17. Most of that engagement appears to have been driven by Brian Rose and his organization London Real, which is behind the website that hosted "Plandemic 2" and has a history of airing falsehoods about COVID-19.

Given the potential harm caused by misinformation about the severity of COVID-19 and how to prevent the virus, we fact-checked some of the documentary’s most misleading claims.

One of the key tenets of PolitiFact is that the burden of proof is on the speaker. Like its predecessor, "Plandemic 2" falls woefully short.

Have a question about "Plandemic 2" that we didn’t answer? Send it to truthometer@politifact.com.

"In 2003, the Center for Disease Control saw the possibility of a gold strike. And that was the coronavirus outbreak that happened in Asia … they sought to patent it, and they made sure that they controlled the proprietary rights to the disease, to the virus, and to its detection and all of the measurement of it."
— David Martin, founding CEO of M∙CAM Inc.

This is misleading. It’s similar to misinformation that has spread since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

In 2003 — during the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome outbreak in China — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention applied for a patent covering the genetic material of and ways to detect the human coronavirus. Other government agencies, nonprofits and companies also filed for patents.

The CDC won its application in 2007. However, the agency does not "control the proprietary rights to" SARS, as Martin claimed in "Plandemic 2."

RELATED: Coronavirus was not a US invention

The CDC said during a 2003 media briefing the goal of the patent was to "make the virus and the products from the virus available in the public domain."

"A number of public research organisations … were compelled to file patents in respect of the genetic coding of the SARS virus," wrote Matthew Rimmer, an intellectual property law professor at the Queensland University of Technology, in the Melbourne Journal of International Law in 2004. "Such measures were promoted as ‘defensive patenting’ — a means to ensure that public research and communication were not jeopardised by commercial parties seeking exclusive private control."

Entities other than the CDC have tried developing vaccines and treatments for SARS. We reached out to the CDC for a comment, but we haven’t heard back.

"I feel quite convinced that this was a laboratory designed organism."
— Dr. Meryl Nass, internal medicine specialist

Research shows that the virus could not have been created in a lab. An article published March 17 says the genetic makeup of the coronavirus, documented by researchers from several public health organizations, does not indicate it was altered.

SARS-CoV-2, the official name of the virus that causes COVID-19, is a betacoronavirus, like Middle East Respiratory Syndrome and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. All three viruses have their origins in bats, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

RELATED: What we know about the source of the coronavirus pandemic

Specifically, scientists have linked the genetic structure of the novel coronavirus to the horseshoe bat, which is common in southern and central China. The virus is "zoonotic," meaning it sprSubheadlineead from animals to humans, according to a report from 25 international experts, including some from China and the U.S., convened by the World Health Organization.

Scientists still aren’t sure how the novel coronavirus made the jump from its intermediate host to humans. But there’s no evidence that a lab created or manipulated the virus.

"Anthony Fauci knew early as January of 2017 that we would see an outbreak before the end of 2020. Even Bill Gates, a man with no medical training, knew it was coming."
— Mikki Willis, filmmaker

This is misleading. Willis made this claim in reference to Event 201, a simulation designed to help plan for a global pandemic by bringing together business, government, and public health leaders. The event took place in October 2019 and was organized by the John Hopkins Center for Health Security World Economic Forum and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

According to Event 201’s website, the event "simulated a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic." The fictionalized scenario was planned in part because there have been two worldwide outbreaks of coronaviruses in the last 20 years.

On Jan. 24, 2020, the John Hopkins Center for Health Security released a statement clarifying that they had not been predicting the current coronavirus outbreak:

"To be clear, the Center for Health Security and partners did not make a prediction during our tabletop exercise. For the scenario, we modeled a fictional coronavirus pandemic, but we explicitly stated that it was not a prediction."

RELATED: No, Amazon’s Alexa doesn’t say 'the government' planned the coronavirus pandemic

Johns Hopkins has hosted other simulations with evocative names in recent years — including Dark Winter in 2001, Atlantic Storm in 2005, and Clade X in 2018. The World Economic Forum has said such simulations are important for preparing for the average of 200 epidemics that take place annually.

What about 2017, the year that Willis mentioned in his claim?

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a 2017 event at Georgetown University that there would be "a surprise outbreak" facing the Trump administration. But that doesn’t mean he predicted the coronavirus pandemic. Fauci talked about a wide range of diseases that emerged or intensified during his tenure at the institute, including HIV/AIDS and West Nile virus.

"A 2018 scientific study released in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health concluded that over 490,000 children in India developed paralysis as a result of the Gates-supported oral polio vaccine that was administered between the years of 2000 and 2017."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim False, as have several other fact-checkers.

The study that Willis cited is real, and it’s hosted by the U.S. National Library of Medicine. It found a correlation between non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) and polio vaccinations given between 2000 and 2017.

However, the study has received criticism for its methodology, namely for including symptoms shown by children ages five to 15 when the oral polio vaccine campaign focused on children under the age of five. And polio is just one reason children could be paralyzed — Guillain-Barre Syndrome is also a leading cause.

In a reply to some of that criticism, the authors of the 2018 paper wrote that "non-polio AFP, by its very definition, excludes polio vaccine-induced paralysis."

RELATED: Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination

The Gates Foundation has long funded groups in India and elsewhere that seek to expand access to polio immunization. In March 2014, the World Health Organization declared that its Southeast Asia region was polio-free, in part because of the kinds of mass vaccination campaigns supported by the Gates Foundation. However, the virus remains a threat in South Asian countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

According to the WHO, it is possible to contract polio from vaccines — but it’s extremely rare. The agency estimates that 1 in 2.7 million oral doses results in vaccine-associated paralytic polio.

Since the eradication of polio in India, there have been some scares of tainted vaccines. But data from the WHO show that, between 2000 and 2017, there were 17 cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.

"In partnership with MIT, Bill Gates has developed a new technology that allows vaccines to be injected under your skin, along with your medical records."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim Mostly False.

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are seeking to address vaccine tracking challenges in developing countries by creating an invisible ink that could be injected into children along with vaccines. The idea behind the research is that the dye would provide a quick, affordable way of helping health providers keep track of a child’s vaccinations.

The Gates Foundation has contributed funds for this research, and Gates has said he supports the idea of a national tracking system to monitor the virus that causes COVID-19. But Willis’ claim lacks two pieces of context.

RELATED: Post about Bill Gates’ work on vaccine tracking distorts research, timeline

First, the MIT study began in July 2016 — more than three years before the first novel coronavirus cases emerged. It was not inspired by the current outbreak. Second, there is no evidence that it has anything to do with monitoring Americans specifically.

We reached out to Willis and Rose, who founded the platform that hosted "Plandemic 2," but we haven’t heard back.
τα ξεφτιλιζει οχι απλα τα αποδομει αυτα τα ιδρυματα.
αλλα εσενα η δουλιτσα σου γνωστη..
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Χαοτικός έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:59
elchav έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:53
foscilis έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 17:58 Το θέμα μας είναι οι διανοούμενοι κλπ πνευματικοί καλλιεργημένοι άνθρωποι που μέσα από ψαγμένους συμβολισμούς και σύνθετες αναλύσεις, ταγμένοι υποτίθεται στην πρωτοπορία της προόδου και στο να ανοίγουν τα μάτια ημών των άξεστων, καταλήγουν σε συμπεράσματα που θα γλίτωνες αρκετό χρόνο αν πήγαινες και διάβαζες κατευθείαν το τουίτερ της Ραχήλ Μακρής.
καλά δεν λες ακριβώς "ψαγμένο συμβολισμό και σύνθετη ανάλυση", τους παρακάτω στίχους:
Και σαν να μην φτάναν όλα αυτά
Στην Αττική το απόγευμα
Για πυροσβεστήρα πήρα κλήση 80 €
Και μες την γκαντεμιά μου
Μες τον πανικό πηγαίνω
Βάζω τα καλά μου παίρνω ό, τι έχω βγαίνω και
Χορεύω, χορεύω ό, τι προβλήματα έχω στην άκρη τ' αφήνω
Ξεδίνω, παίρνω φόρα πάω στο μπαρ
Βάζω τεκίλα και πίνω και πίνω
Για την στιγμή για την χαρά για την παρηγοριά
Χτυπάει το άγχος απ τη μια
Από την άλλη η καρδιά
Βραδυκαρδία παίρνω χάπια για την αϋπνία
Σαν ταινία βγάζει πιστόλι η εφορία
Σηκώνω τα χέρια φωνάζω για φόνο
Της λέω θέλω χρόνο αφού χρόνια πληρώνω


εκτός αν είσαι τριχομούνα που αράζει Γαύδο ή 35 χρονών καραφλοκοτσίδας που αράζει με αντίσκηνο των 300 ευρώ (πληρωμένο από τη θεία Μερόπη) στη Σαμοθράκη
Ναι αλλά ο καραφλοκοτσίδας σε γαμάει καλύτερα. Μην κλωτσάς την τύχη σου.

Αλλά μπράβο για το ποίημα. Ευφράδεια, περιεχόμενο, χρώμα, καλλιτέχνης ρε. Πως διάλο όμως; Χαμαλίκια στην λαχαναγορά δεν κάνεις; :smt017
σορρυ εάν έγινες τριγκερ λόγω καραφλοκοτσίδας στη Σαμοθράκη, δεν ήξερα :oops:
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πατησιωτης έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 19:00
Χαοτικός έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:54 Δεν ξέρω που διαφωνήσατε και τι έγινε με τις διαθέσεις σας -

Διαφωνούν στο εάν υπάρχει ιός. :lol:
αυτο ειναι το προβλημα της διαχυσης: η πολιτικη, οπως και οτιδηποτε, ειναι πια παντου εκτος απο εκει που θα πρεπε να ειναι. Το θεμα της πανδημιας δεν ειναι πολιτικο. Η αντιμετωπιση και η διαχειριση της ομως ειναι.
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Διαφωνούν στο εάν υπάρχει ιός. :lol:
καλα εσυ μονο να κλαις για το αντρεα εχις καταντησει
δες το ντοκ ρε να μας πεις τη σοβαρη σου γνωμη.
Και οταν για καποιο ανεξηγητο λογο a pair grows ελα και απο κειθε που σε καλεσαμε να μας πεις γιατι μασουλατε οι πατριωτες
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πήζον bot έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:50 δεν του αρεσε η μουσικη αρα οι νομπελιστες που εχει μεσα δεν ειναι επιστημονες. :smt005:
πατα τον κατω. οτι λεει το αντιθετο.
ναι *Νομπελιστες*, οπως ο Ντιπακ Τσοπρα.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020 ... inaccurat/

The video is a pseudo-documentary that spins a conspiracy theory about the spread of COVID-19 over 75 minutes. Among its targets are Bill Gates, technology companies, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the pharmaceutical industry, and fact-checkers like PolitiFact and Snopes.
Spoiler
The video follows up on the shorter "Plandemic" that went viral in May (and was removed by tech companies for violating misinformation policies). It starts where its predecessor left off — a defense of false and misleading claims made by Judy Mikovits, a discredited former scientist at the National Cancer Institute — and ends with aphorisms about humanity and heroism.

Tens of millions of people saw the shorter video before social media platforms removed it for violating their policies against harmful COVID-19 misinformation. This version hasn’t received as many views, because the tech platforms were expecting it.

RELATED: Fact-checking ‘Plandemic’: A documentary full of false conspiracy theories about the coronavirus

Soon after the live feed started, Facebook blocked its users from sharing the link in posts and private messages. TikTok appeared to block searches for the term "Plandemic." Twitter added a warning message saying the link is "potentially spammy or unsafe."

Still, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool, Facebook and Instagram posts with the term "Plandemic" have received tens of thousands of combined interactions since Aug. 17. Most of that engagement appears to have been driven by Brian Rose and his organization London Real, which is behind the website that hosted "Plandemic 2" and has a history of airing falsehoods about COVID-19.

Given the potential harm caused by misinformation about the severity of COVID-19 and how to prevent the virus, we fact-checked some of the documentary’s most misleading claims.

One of the key tenets of PolitiFact is that the burden of proof is on the speaker. Like its predecessor, "Plandemic 2" falls woefully short.

Have a question about "Plandemic 2" that we didn’t answer? Send it to truthometer@politifact.com.

"In 2003, the Center for Disease Control saw the possibility of a gold strike. And that was the coronavirus outbreak that happened in Asia … they sought to patent it, and they made sure that they controlled the proprietary rights to the disease, to the virus, and to its detection and all of the measurement of it."
— David Martin, founding CEO of M∙CAM Inc.

This is misleading. It’s similar to misinformation that has spread since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

In 2003 — during the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome outbreak in China — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention applied for a patent covering the genetic material of and ways to detect the human coronavirus. Other government agencies, nonprofits and companies also filed for patents.

The CDC won its application in 2007. However, the agency does not "control the proprietary rights to" SARS, as Martin claimed in "Plandemic 2."

RELATED: Coronavirus was not a US invention

The CDC said during a 2003 media briefing the goal of the patent was to "make the virus and the products from the virus available in the public domain."

"A number of public research organisations … were compelled to file patents in respect of the genetic coding of the SARS virus," wrote Matthew Rimmer, an intellectual property law professor at the Queensland University of Technology, in the Melbourne Journal of International Law in 2004. "Such measures were promoted as ‘defensive patenting’ — a means to ensure that public research and communication were not jeopardised by commercial parties seeking exclusive private control."

Entities other than the CDC have tried developing vaccines and treatments for SARS. We reached out to the CDC for a comment, but we haven’t heard back.

"I feel quite convinced that this was a laboratory designed organism."
— Dr. Meryl Nass, internal medicine specialist

Research shows that the virus could not have been created in a lab. An article published March 17 says the genetic makeup of the coronavirus, documented by researchers from several public health organizations, does not indicate it was altered.

SARS-CoV-2, the official name of the virus that causes COVID-19, is a betacoronavirus, like Middle East Respiratory Syndrome and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. All three viruses have their origins in bats, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

RELATED: What we know about the source of the coronavirus pandemic

Specifically, scientists have linked the genetic structure of the novel coronavirus to the horseshoe bat, which is common in southern and central China. The virus is "zoonotic," meaning it sprSubheadlineead from animals to humans, according to a report from 25 international experts, including some from China and the U.S., convened by the World Health Organization.

Scientists still aren’t sure how the novel coronavirus made the jump from its intermediate host to humans. But there’s no evidence that a lab created or manipulated the virus.

"Anthony Fauci knew early as January of 2017 that we would see an outbreak before the end of 2020. Even Bill Gates, a man with no medical training, knew it was coming."
— Mikki Willis, filmmaker

This is misleading. Willis made this claim in reference to Event 201, a simulation designed to help plan for a global pandemic by bringing together business, government, and public health leaders. The event took place in October 2019 and was organized by the John Hopkins Center for Health Security World Economic Forum and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

According to Event 201’s website, the event "simulated a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic." The fictionalized scenario was planned in part because there have been two worldwide outbreaks of coronaviruses in the last 20 years.

On Jan. 24, 2020, the John Hopkins Center for Health Security released a statement clarifying that they had not been predicting the current coronavirus outbreak:

"To be clear, the Center for Health Security and partners did not make a prediction during our tabletop exercise. For the scenario, we modeled a fictional coronavirus pandemic, but we explicitly stated that it was not a prediction."

RELATED: No, Amazon’s Alexa doesn’t say 'the government' planned the coronavirus pandemic

Johns Hopkins has hosted other simulations with evocative names in recent years — including Dark Winter in 2001, Atlantic Storm in 2005, and Clade X in 2018. The World Economic Forum has said such simulations are important for preparing for the average of 200 epidemics that take place annually.

What about 2017, the year that Willis mentioned in his claim?

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a 2017 event at Georgetown University that there would be "a surprise outbreak" facing the Trump administration. But that doesn’t mean he predicted the coronavirus pandemic. Fauci talked about a wide range of diseases that emerged or intensified during his tenure at the institute, including HIV/AIDS and West Nile virus.

"A 2018 scientific study released in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health concluded that over 490,000 children in India developed paralysis as a result of the Gates-supported oral polio vaccine that was administered between the years of 2000 and 2017."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim False, as have several other fact-checkers.

The study that Willis cited is real, and it’s hosted by the U.S. National Library of Medicine. It found a correlation between non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) and polio vaccinations given between 2000 and 2017.

However, the study has received criticism for its methodology, namely for including symptoms shown by children ages five to 15 when the oral polio vaccine campaign focused on children under the age of five. And polio is just one reason children could be paralyzed — Guillain-Barre Syndrome is also a leading cause.

In a reply to some of that criticism, the authors of the 2018 paper wrote that "non-polio AFP, by its very definition, excludes polio vaccine-induced paralysis."

RELATED: Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination

The Gates Foundation has long funded groups in India and elsewhere that seek to expand access to polio immunization. In March 2014, the World Health Organization declared that its Southeast Asia region was polio-free, in part because of the kinds of mass vaccination campaigns supported by the Gates Foundation. However, the virus remains a threat in South Asian countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

According to the WHO, it is possible to contract polio from vaccines — but it’s extremely rare. The agency estimates that 1 in 2.7 million oral doses results in vaccine-associated paralytic polio.

Since the eradication of polio in India, there have been some scares of tainted vaccines. But data from the WHO show that, between 2000 and 2017, there were 17 cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.

"In partnership with MIT, Bill Gates has developed a new technology that allows vaccines to be injected under your skin, along with your medical records."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim Mostly False.

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are seeking to address vaccine tracking challenges in developing countries by creating an invisible ink that could be injected into children along with vaccines. The idea behind the research is that the dye would provide a quick, affordable way of helping health providers keep track of a child’s vaccinations.

The Gates Foundation has contributed funds for this research, and Gates has said he supports the idea of a national tracking system to monitor the virus that causes COVID-19. But Willis’ claim lacks two pieces of context.

RELATED: Post about Bill Gates’ work on vaccine tracking distorts research, timeline

First, the MIT study began in July 2016 — more than three years before the first novel coronavirus cases emerged. It was not inspired by the current outbreak. Second, there is no evidence that it has anything to do with monitoring Americans specifically.

We reached out to Willis and Rose, who founded the platform that hosted "Plandemic 2," but we haven’t heard back.
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Χαοτικός έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:54 Δεν ξέρω που διαφωνήσατε και τι έγινε με τις διαθέσεις σας -

Διαφωνούν στο εάν υπάρχει ιός. :lol:
Ευχαριστώ ρε που απαντάς. ο άλλος απαξιεί να εξηγήσει. Κάνει μαλακίες αλλά εντάξει άνθρωπος είναι. Εσύ τώρα σοβαρά το λες; :o
Απ' ό,τι ξέρω ο Μπλάκι σοβαρά στέκεται στο θέμα του ιού. Αυτός τι; Κουσκούση; :o

Ρε μαλάκα πήχτη αλήθεια; :D
Σαν σκουπίδια τυχαία χυμένα ο πιο όμορφος κόσμος.
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John Brown Gun Club έγραψε: 21 Αύγ 2020, 18:57

ναι *Νομπελιστες*, οπως ο Ντιπακ Τσοπρα.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020 ... inaccurat/

The video is a pseudo-documentary that spins a conspiracy theory about the spread of COVID-19 over 75 minutes. Among its targets are Bill Gates, technology companies, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the pharmaceutical industry, and fact-checkers like PolitiFact and Snopes.
Spoiler
The video follows up on the shorter "Plandemic" that went viral in May (and was removed by tech companies for violating misinformation policies). It starts where its predecessor left off — a defense of false and misleading claims made by Judy Mikovits, a discredited former scientist at the National Cancer Institute — and ends with aphorisms about humanity and heroism.

Tens of millions of people saw the shorter video before social media platforms removed it for violating their policies against harmful COVID-19 misinformation. This version hasn’t received as many views, because the tech platforms were expecting it.

RELATED: Fact-checking ‘Plandemic’: A documentary full of false conspiracy theories about the coronavirus

Soon after the live feed started, Facebook blocked its users from sharing the link in posts and private messages. TikTok appeared to block searches for the term "Plandemic." Twitter added a warning message saying the link is "potentially spammy or unsafe."

Still, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool, Facebook and Instagram posts with the term "Plandemic" have received tens of thousands of combined interactions since Aug. 17. Most of that engagement appears to have been driven by Brian Rose and his organization London Real, which is behind the website that hosted "Plandemic 2" and has a history of airing falsehoods about COVID-19.

Given the potential harm caused by misinformation about the severity of COVID-19 and how to prevent the virus, we fact-checked some of the documentary’s most misleading claims.

One of the key tenets of PolitiFact is that the burden of proof is on the speaker. Like its predecessor, "Plandemic 2" falls woefully short.

Have a question about "Plandemic 2" that we didn’t answer? Send it to truthometer@politifact.com.

"In 2003, the Center for Disease Control saw the possibility of a gold strike. And that was the coronavirus outbreak that happened in Asia … they sought to patent it, and they made sure that they controlled the proprietary rights to the disease, to the virus, and to its detection and all of the measurement of it."
— David Martin, founding CEO of M∙CAM Inc.

This is misleading. It’s similar to misinformation that has spread since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

In 2003 — during the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome outbreak in China — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention applied for a patent covering the genetic material of and ways to detect the human coronavirus. Other government agencies, nonprofits and companies also filed for patents.

The CDC won its application in 2007. However, the agency does not "control the proprietary rights to" SARS, as Martin claimed in "Plandemic 2."

RELATED: Coronavirus was not a US invention

The CDC said during a 2003 media briefing the goal of the patent was to "make the virus and the products from the virus available in the public domain."

"A number of public research organisations … were compelled to file patents in respect of the genetic coding of the SARS virus," wrote Matthew Rimmer, an intellectual property law professor at the Queensland University of Technology, in the Melbourne Journal of International Law in 2004. "Such measures were promoted as ‘defensive patenting’ — a means to ensure that public research and communication were not jeopardised by commercial parties seeking exclusive private control."

Entities other than the CDC have tried developing vaccines and treatments for SARS. We reached out to the CDC for a comment, but we haven’t heard back.

"I feel quite convinced that this was a laboratory designed organism."
— Dr. Meryl Nass, internal medicine specialist

Research shows that the virus could not have been created in a lab. An article published March 17 says the genetic makeup of the coronavirus, documented by researchers from several public health organizations, does not indicate it was altered.

SARS-CoV-2, the official name of the virus that causes COVID-19, is a betacoronavirus, like Middle East Respiratory Syndrome and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome. All three viruses have their origins in bats, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

RELATED: What we know about the source of the coronavirus pandemic

Specifically, scientists have linked the genetic structure of the novel coronavirus to the horseshoe bat, which is common in southern and central China. The virus is "zoonotic," meaning it sprSubheadlineead from animals to humans, according to a report from 25 international experts, including some from China and the U.S., convened by the World Health Organization.

Scientists still aren’t sure how the novel coronavirus made the jump from its intermediate host to humans. But there’s no evidence that a lab created or manipulated the virus.

"Anthony Fauci knew early as January of 2017 that we would see an outbreak before the end of 2020. Even Bill Gates, a man with no medical training, knew it was coming."
— Mikki Willis, filmmaker

This is misleading. Willis made this claim in reference to Event 201, a simulation designed to help plan for a global pandemic by bringing together business, government, and public health leaders. The event took place in October 2019 and was organized by the John Hopkins Center for Health Security World Economic Forum and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

According to Event 201’s website, the event "simulated a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic." The fictionalized scenario was planned in part because there have been two worldwide outbreaks of coronaviruses in the last 20 years.

On Jan. 24, 2020, the John Hopkins Center for Health Security released a statement clarifying that they had not been predicting the current coronavirus outbreak:

"To be clear, the Center for Health Security and partners did not make a prediction during our tabletop exercise. For the scenario, we modeled a fictional coronavirus pandemic, but we explicitly stated that it was not a prediction."

RELATED: No, Amazon’s Alexa doesn’t say 'the government' planned the coronavirus pandemic

Johns Hopkins has hosted other simulations with evocative names in recent years — including Dark Winter in 2001, Atlantic Storm in 2005, and Clade X in 2018. The World Economic Forum has said such simulations are important for preparing for the average of 200 epidemics that take place annually.

What about 2017, the year that Willis mentioned in his claim?

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said during a 2017 event at Georgetown University that there would be "a surprise outbreak" facing the Trump administration. But that doesn’t mean he predicted the coronavirus pandemic. Fauci talked about a wide range of diseases that emerged or intensified during his tenure at the institute, including HIV/AIDS and West Nile virus.

"A 2018 scientific study released in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health concluded that over 490,000 children in India developed paralysis as a result of the Gates-supported oral polio vaccine that was administered between the years of 2000 and 2017."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim False, as have several other fact-checkers.

The study that Willis cited is real, and it’s hosted by the U.S. National Library of Medicine. It found a correlation between non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (AFP) and polio vaccinations given between 2000 and 2017.

However, the study has received criticism for its methodology, namely for including symptoms shown by children ages five to 15 when the oral polio vaccine campaign focused on children under the age of five. And polio is just one reason children could be paralyzed — Guillain-Barre Syndrome is also a leading cause.

In a reply to some of that criticism, the authors of the 2018 paper wrote that "non-polio AFP, by its very definition, excludes polio vaccine-induced paralysis."

RELATED: Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination

The Gates Foundation has long funded groups in India and elsewhere that seek to expand access to polio immunization. In March 2014, the World Health Organization declared that its Southeast Asia region was polio-free, in part because of the kinds of mass vaccination campaigns supported by the Gates Foundation. However, the virus remains a threat in South Asian countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

According to the WHO, it is possible to contract polio from vaccines — but it’s extremely rare. The agency estimates that 1 in 2.7 million oral doses results in vaccine-associated paralytic polio.

Since the eradication of polio in India, there have been some scares of tainted vaccines. But data from the WHO show that, between 2000 and 2017, there were 17 cases of vaccine-derived poliovirus.

"In partnership with MIT, Bill Gates has developed a new technology that allows vaccines to be injected under your skin, along with your medical records."
— Willis

We rated a similar claim Mostly False.

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology are seeking to address vaccine tracking challenges in developing countries by creating an invisible ink that could be injected into children along with vaccines. The idea behind the research is that the dye would provide a quick, affordable way of helping health providers keep track of a child’s vaccinations.

The Gates Foundation has contributed funds for this research, and Gates has said he supports the idea of a national tracking system to monitor the virus that causes COVID-19. But Willis’ claim lacks two pieces of context.

RELATED: Post about Bill Gates’ work on vaccine tracking distorts research, timeline

First, the MIT study began in July 2016 — more than three years before the first novel coronavirus cases emerged. It was not inspired by the current outbreak. Second, there is no evidence that it has anything to do with monitoring Americans specifically.

We reached out to Willis and Rose, who founded the platform that hosted "Plandemic 2," but we haven’t heard back.
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Διαφωνούν στο εάν υπάρχει ιός. :lol:
καλα εσυ μονο να κλαις για το αντρεα εχις καταντησει
δες το ντοκ ρε να μας πεις τη σοβαρη σου γνωμη.
Και οταν για καποιο ανεξηγητο λογο a pair grows ελα και απο κειθε που σε καλεσαμε να μας πεις γιατι μασουλατε οι πατριωτες
Η Δούρου πάντως λέει ότι υπάρχει
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Διαφωνούν στο εάν υπάρχει ιός. :lol:
Ευχαριστώ ρε που απαντάς. ο άλλος απαξιεί να εξηγήσει. Κάνει μαλακίες αλλά εντάξει άνθρωπος είναι. Εσύ τώρα σοβαρά το λες; :o
Απ' ό,τι ξέρω ο Μπλάκι σοβαρά στέκεται στο θέμα του ιού. Αυτός τι; Κουσκούση; :o

Ρε μαλάκα πήχτη αλήθεια; :D
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καλά δεν λες ακριβώς "ψαγμένο συμβολισμό και σύνθετη ανάλυση", τους παρακάτω στίχους:
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Μες τον πανικό πηγαίνω
Βάζω τα καλά μου παίρνω ό, τι έχω βγαίνω και
Χορεύω, χορεύω ό, τι προβλήματα έχω στην άκρη τ' αφήνω
Ξεδίνω, παίρνω φόρα πάω στο μπαρ
Βάζω τεκίλα και πίνω και πίνω
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εκτός αν είσαι τριχομούνα που αράζει Γαύδο ή 35 χρονών καραφλοκοτσίδας που αράζει με αντίσκηνο των 300 ευρώ (πληρωμένο από τη θεία Μερόπη) στη Σαμοθράκη
Ναι αλλά ο καραφλοκοτσίδας σε γαμάει καλύτερα. Μην κλωτσάς την τύχη σου.

Αλλά μπράβο για το ποίημα. Ευφράδεια, περιεχόμενο, χρώμα, καλλιτέχνης ρε. Πως διάλο όμως; Χαμαλίκια στην λαχαναγορά δεν κάνεις; :smt017
σορρυ εάν έγινες τριγκερ λόγω καραφλοκοτσίδας στη Σαμοθράκη, δεν ήξερα :oops:
Μα είμαι μεγαλύτερος από 35 και πιο ώριμος ρε. Τι να μου πουν ζητήματα εμφάνισης φιλόσοφος άνθρωπος; Το γαμήσι διαχειρίζομαι :102:
Σαν σκουπίδια τυχαία χυμένα ο πιο όμορφος κόσμος.
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Διαφωνούν στο εάν υπάρχει ιός. :lol:
Ευχαριστώ ρε που απαντάς. ο άλλος απαξιεί να εξηγήσει. Κάνει μαλακίες αλλά εντάξει άνθρωπος είναι. Εσύ τώρα σοβαρά το λες; :o
Απ' ό,τι ξέρω ο Μπλάκι σοβαρά στέκεται στο θέμα του ιού. Αυτός τι; Κουσκούση; :o

Ρε μαλάκα πήχτη αλήθεια; :D
αυτο προσπαθουνε ρε βλητο, να μην το δεις.
δεν ειναι επιστημονες, δεν ειναι καλη η μουσικη , εγω ειμαι ακροδξιος.. :smt005:

ρε μλκες με καντε να αισθανομαι πολυ εξυπνπος εδω μεσα. :smt005:
δεν ειμαι τοσο :smt005:
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