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Αρίστος έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 15:30 Κατ΄αρχην το ΝΑΤΟ δεν εχει καμια διεθνη νομιμοτητα να περικυκλωνει τη Ρωσια.

Προκειται περι πρωτοφανους απειλης της ειρηνης απο ενα οργανισμο που δημιουργηθηκε για να προστατευσει την Ευρωπη απο την επεκταση της Σοβιετικης Ενωσης οταν ηδη αυτη κατειχε ολη την Ανατολικη Ευρωπη.

Πλεον ομως:

α) Δεν υπαρχει Σοβιετικη Ενωση

β) Η Ρωσια δεν απειλει την Ευρωπαικη Ενωση και δεν κατεχει την Ανατολικη Ευρωπη οπως η Σοβιετια που η επεκταση της εφτανε μεχρι το Βερολινο.

γ) Η ΕΕ οχι μονο εχει στενες εμπορικες σχεσεις με τη Ρωσια αλλα ενεργειακα στηριζεται κατα 45% στο ρωσικο φυσικο αεριο και η Γερμανια κατα 55%.

Κανονικα αν υπηρχαν ελευθερες κυβερνησεις στη Δυση και ελευθερος τυπος το ΝΑΤΟ επρεπε να εισπραττει γιαουρτια και να εγκαλειται το Συμβουλιο Ασφαλειας του ΟΗΕ για να καταδικασει τη σταση των Αμερικανων που μεσω του ΝΑΤΟ πανε να μπλεξουν την Ευρωπη σε πολεμο με τη Ρωσια.

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Οργισμένος έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 19:32

Λόρδος Ταντρίδης έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 19:12

πατησιωτης έγραψε: 12 Φεβ 2022, 18:52 Και ολίγη ΟΑΚΚΕ.


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Τι ξεφτίλες είμαι αυτοί ; Ακόμα λέει κατέχουν το Ναγκόρνο - Καραμπάχ οι Αρμένιοι μαζί με τους Ρώσους . Λες και το βρήκαν από την κούνια τους οι Αζέροι . Ρε άντε από εκεί μουνόπανα . Υποστηρικτές τουρκοτσομπάνηδων που σφάζουν ανθρώπους στον ύπνο τους .

ΜΠΡΑΒΟ ΣΤΟ ΟΑΚΚΕ. Αυτοι ναι, ΕΙΝΑΙ αριστεροι κι ας υπερβαλλουν σε πολλα κι ας λενε φιλομαρξιστικες σαχλαμαρες.

US needs Ukraine crisis to harm European economy, and legitimize its military presence
By Yang Sheng and Xu Keyue
Published: Feb 13, 2022 10:28 PM

A Ukrainian serviceman patrols along a position at the front line with the eastern rebels not far from Avdiivka, Donetsk region, Ukraine. Fears have mounted of an escalation of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, where government forces have battled the rebels since 2014. Photo: AFP
A Ukrainian serviceman patrols along a position at the front line with the eastern rebels not far from Avdiivka, Donetsk region, Ukraine. Fears have mounted of an escalation of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, where government forces have battled the rebels since 2014. Photo: AFP

Combat crews of the S-400 air defense system taking up combat duty during joint exercises by Russia and Belarus on February 9, 2022 which center around suppressing and repelling external aggression amid Western claims that Moscow is plotting a major escalation of the conflict in Ukraine. Photo: AFP
Combat crews of the S-400 air defense system taking up combat duty during joint exercises by Russia and Belarus on February 9, 2022 which center around "suppressing and repelling external aggression" amid Western claims that Moscow is plotting a major escalation of the conflict in Ukraine. Photo: AFP



As the Ukraine crisis becomes ever more complex, with the US claiming that Russia is planning for an imminent invasion while Moscow continuing to deny it and accusing Washington of spreading fear via disinformation, Chinese analysts said Washington needs the crisis to remain heightened even if Russia has no intention of using force.

Chinese analysts said Sunday that keeping the crisis intense will benefit the US in several fields: legitimizing its military presence in Europe by demonizing Russia and poisoning Russia-EU ties, increasing uncertainties and concerns to harm the eurozone economy so there will be more capital flight from the continent to the US and thus easing the US inflation pressure, and using the tension to stir up trouble for China-Russia ties.

Therefore, the US is using all means to maintain the heightened tension, including spreading disinformation and strengthening military deployments to provoke Russia - in other words, the US is sacrificing Ukraine's security to serve its own strategy to compete with Russia, experts said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin had telephone conversations with French President Emmanuel Macron and US President Joe Biden on Saturday, TASS reported on Sunday. Conversations were held at the request of Paris and Washington.

Putin reminded his counterparts that "the West does not do enough to force Ukraine to perform the Minsk Agreements" and said "the Russian response to the US and NATO answers on security guarantees will be presented shortly."

Paris said after the conversation that they do not believe that Moscow "is preparing an offensive" against Ukraine, while Washington stated that it is still unclear whether Russia plans to achieve its goal diplomatically or "by way of using force."

Analysts said no party can bear the consequence of the situation out of control totally, and if conflict breaks out, the US would not be the losing party, and could even benefit if the conflict remains limited. In this scenario, it would harm Ukraine and its neighbors, so Washington is the one that potentially welcomes a conflict, not Moscow, Kiev, Paris or other parties.

Be calm, stay alert

The Chinese embassy in Ukraine released a notice on its WeChat public account Friday to urge Chinese nationals in Ukraine to "pay close attention to" changes in the local situation, as the US and several other Western countries asked their nationals "to evacuate immediately" amid so-called warnings of an imminent invasion by Russia.

The notice said "the epidemic situation is worsening in Ukraine, and it caused multiple cases of Chinese nationals getting infected in Ukraine or found to be infected after returning to China. At the same time, the Ukraine-Russia tensions have drawn attention from many parties, and different types of contradictory information have emerged."

The embassy urged Chinese nationals in the country to strengthen epidemic prevention and pay close attention to "the changing situation" of Ukraine crisis.

Some other countries are not as calm as China. Following the US and the UK, many Western countries, including Australia, Italy, Israel, the Netherlands and Japan have told their citizens to leave Ukraine. Some have evacuated diplomatic staff and their families.

Jin Canrong, associate dean of the School of International Studies at the Renmin University of China, said the Chinese embassy notice is probably based on concern over the US to further meddle in the situation by creating chaos, rather than echoing the Western estimation over Russia's military operation against Ukraine.

"It's totally unnecessary for Russia to invade Ukraine at this stage unless Ukraine launches attacks against Crimea or the Eastern Ukraine regions first. But Washington continues to pay great efforts to hype the information about 'Russia's invasion' in the past few months, even though the information sounds very unrealistic and it's harmful for the situation. So the US is doing this for its own reasons," Jin said.

The most reasonable analysis is that a worsening situation could force European capital flight for safe havens in the US, and this could ease US pressure on inflation, as the US has done such things before, said Li Haidong, a professor from the Institute of International Relations of China Foreign Affairs University.

But the European capital is mature, and there are no signs of large capital transfers to US market, so perhaps this is why the US is making efforts to ramp up the tensions, Jin said.

Li said that keeping a military deterrence but not attacking Ukraine is the best choice for Russia at the moment because Moscow needs to make NATO feel the risks and does not want Ukraine to join NATO. A hot war will ruin everything and neither Moscow nor Kiev can afford such an unpredictable scenario.

"It's possible that if Moscow and Kiev both keep calm, the US would use its proxies, such as NGOs or agents in Ukraine to create new troubles or to spark conflicts between Russia and Ukraine. This is what we need to pay attention to, rather than worrying about a so-called 'Russian invasion' hyped by the US," Jin noted.

Philip Mortimer έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 19:51

Οργισμένος έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 19:32

Λόρδος Ταντρίδης έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 19:12
Τι ξεφτίλες είμαι αυτοί ; Ακόμα λέει κατέχουν το Ναγκόρνο - Καραμπάχ οι Αρμένιοι μαζί με τους Ρώσους . Λες και το βρήκαν από την κούνια τους οι Αζέροι . Ρε άντε από εκεί μουνόπανα . Υποστηρικτές τουρκοτσομπάνηδων που σφάζουν ανθρώπους στον ύπνο τους .

ΜΠΡΑΒΟ ΣΤΟ ΟΑΚΚΕ. Αυτοι ναι, ΕΙΝΑΙ αριστεροι κι ας υπερβαλλουν σε πολλα κι ας λενε φιλομαρξιστικες σαχλαμαρες.

Μου έχουν κινήσει το ενδιαφέρον. Είχα δει μια αφίσα τους που επιτιθοταν στον πούτιν για το φυσικό αέριο τις προάλλες και είχα πέσει και στο τουιτερ πάνω σ' έναν που πρέπει να πρόσκειται εκεί και έγραφε όντως τοποθετήσεις to the point (και χωρίς την ξύλινη γλώσσα που έχουν οι ανακοινώσεις της που τους κάνουν να φαίνονται γραφικοι). Καμία σχέση με την πουτινοφιλη ή την πολακικη αριστερά.

Uppercut έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 20:30 Η Λιθουανία, σε αντίθεση με την Γερμανία, έστειλε πραγματική βοήθεια.

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1492 ... 9090hv6oMQ

Philip Mortimer έγραψε: 13 Φεβ 2022, 19:51 Μου έχουν κινήσει το ενδιαφέρον. Καμία σχέση με την πουτινοφιλη ή την πολακικη αριστερά.

There is no way we were ever going to unite Ukraine

pikey25 έγραψε: 14 Φεβ 2022, 04:04 Εβραιος κωμικος ετοιμος να υπογραψει το μινσκ 3 και ζητα απο 80χρονο παππου να παει στην χωρα του για να κανουν αγκαλιτσες

There is no way we were ever going to unite Ukraine

https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/1491928556598968350


ουτε για b movie αλλα Παρτε ποπ κορν τζαμπα το εισιτηριο

Δημοκράτης έγραψε: 14 Φεβ 2022, 04:33

pikey25 έγραψε: 14 Φεβ 2022, 04:04 Εβραιος κωμικος ετοιμος να υπογραψει το μινσκ 3 και ζητα απο 80χρονο παππου να παει στην χωρα του για να κανουν αγκαλιτσες

There is no way we were ever going to unite Ukraine

https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/1491928556598968350


ουτε για b movie αλλα Παρτε ποπ κορν τζαμπα το εισιτηριο

αυτό το ραμολί τώρα έχει στα χέρια του την τύχη της Δύσης