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«Από το 1941 έως το 1945 στη Μαριούπολη σκοτώθηκαν περισσότεροι από 10.000 άνθρωποι. Μέσα σε δύο μήνες οι Ρώσοι σκότωσαν στη Μαριούπολη πάνω από 20.000 αμάχους. Δύο φορές περισσότερους από ό,τι οι φασίστες στον Β’ Παγκόσμιο Πόλεμο», σημειώνει ο δήμαρχος Μαριούπολης στην Αδαμαντία Λιόλιου και περιέγραψε τη ζοφερή κατάσταση που επικρατεί λίγες ημέρες μετά το τέλος των εχθροπραξιών.

sharp έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 16:45

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 16:03

sharp έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 15:35

Κι όλα αυτά, επειδή δεν τον αφήνουν να ρίξει πυρηνικά. Θα είχε ξεμπερδέψει με τις πόλεις σε μια μέρα, αντί να τις ισοπεδώνει τόσους μήνες μία, μία.

Μπα, για τα δεδομένα του συγκεκριμένου πολέμου δεν υπάρχει τόσο μεγάλη ζημιά σε μη στρατιωτικούς στόχους. Στο Ιρακ (μικρότερου μεγέθους πόλεμος) είχες 10 Μαρίνκες. Εδώ φαίνεται (είναι και λογικό άλλωστε) ότι δεν υπάρχει η πολιτική βούληση για all out war. Όχι λόγω ανθρωπισμού, αλλά α)γιατί θα κληθούν να κυβερνήσουν ό,τι κατέκτησαν (οι Αμερικανοί δεν είχαν/έχουν τέτοιους περιορισμούς) και β) γιατί θα επωμιστούν οι ίδιοι το κόστος της επιδιόρθωσης των καταστροφών. Δεν συμφέρει τους Ρώσους να έχουν πολλές Μαρίνκες, ούτε και τους Ουκρανούς άλλωστε, πράγμα που σημαίνει ότι μάλλον γνωρίζουν πάνω-κάτω με τι εδαφικές απώλειες θα λήξει αυτό.

Το α δεν το καταλαβαίνω. Εδώ κυβερνούν μια αχανή χώρα με 150 εκατομμ. τι πρόβλημα θα έχουν αν προσθέσουν 10 τετραγωνικά;

Το β προφανώς δεν συμφέρουν για το μετά οι κατεστραμμένες πόλεις, αλλά αφού δεν μπορούν να τις πάρουν διαφορετικά; Αυτό ξέρουν, αυτό κάνουν.

Σύγκριση με το Ιράκ δεν νομίζω ότι μπορεί να γίνει. Ούτε σε πολιτικό, αλλά ούτε και σε στρατιωτικό επίπεδο. Άλλο έδαφος, διαφορετικοί στρατοί κλπ

In early November, Ukraine stated that at least 25,000 civilians had been killed in Mariupol.[44] In late December, the Associated Press estimated that the true death toll may be up to three times that figure.[308]

The Greek minority in Ukraine which is concentrated in and around Mariupol was impacted heavily by the fighting. Sartana and Volnovakha, two towns near Mariupol having substantial Greek population, were hit hard by Russian forces and nearly completely destroyed.[309]

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:14 Διαβάζουμε στην Βίκι για την Μαριούπολη.

In early November, Ukraine stated that at least 25,000 civilians had been killed in Mariupol.[44] In late December, the Associated Press estimated that the true death toll may be up to three times that figure.[308]

The Greek minority in Ukraine which is concentrated in and around Mariupol was impacted heavily by the fighting. Sartana and Volnovakha, two towns near Mariupol having substantial Greek population, were hit hard by Russian forces and nearly completely destroyed.[309]

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:14 Διαβάζουμε στην Βίκι για την Μαριούπολη.

In early November, Ukraine stated that at least 25,000 civilians had been killed in Mariupol.[44] In late December, the Associated Press estimated that the true death toll may be up to three times that figure.[308]

The Greek minority in Ukraine which is concentrated in and around Mariupol was impacted heavily by the fighting. Sartana and Volnovakha, two towns near Mariupol having substantial Greek population, were hit hard by Russian forces and nearly completely destroyed.[309]

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:18

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:14 Διαβάζουμε στην Βίκι για την Μαριούπολη.

In early November, Ukraine stated that at least 25,000 civilians had been killed in Mariupol.[44] In late December, the Associated Press estimated that the true death toll may be up to three times that figure.[308]

The Greek minority in Ukraine which is concentrated in and around Mariupol was impacted heavily by the fighting. Sartana and Volnovakha, two towns near Mariupol having substantial Greek population, were hit hard by Russian forces and nearly completely destroyed.[309]

Διαβάζουμε και MinusRus μην αγχώνεσαι. Δεν αλλάζει κάτι όμως

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:33

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:18

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:14 Διαβάζουμε στην Βίκι για την Μαριούπολη.

Διαβάζουμε και MinusRus μην αγχώνεσαι. Δεν αλλάζει κάτι όμως

Τι σχέση έχει το minusrus με αυτά που έβαλα τώρα. Εσύ μίλησες για ΟΗΕ και για δήμαρχο Μαριούπολης. Αυτούς παρέθεσα σε δεύτερο στάδιο αφού τους θεωρείς αξιόπιστους.

Ukraine stated

Ukraine stated

Ukraine stated

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:35

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:33

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:18
Διαβάζουμε και MinusRus μην αγχώνεσαι. Δεν αλλάζει κάτι όμως

Τι σχέση έχει το minusrus με αυτά που έβαλα τώρα. Εσύ μίλησες για ΟΗΕ και για δήμαρχο Μαριούπολης. Αυτούς παρέθεσα σε δεύτερο στάδιο αφού τους θεωρείς αξιόπιστους.

Ukraine stated

Ukraine stated

Ukraine stated

On August 29, President of Mariupol Television, volunteer and civil activist Mykola Osychenko said to Dnipro TV that, according to the insider information, 87,000 deaths have been currently documented in morgues in Mariupol. Besides, 26,750 bodies are buried in mass graves, and many more are buried in the yards of the apartment blocks and private houses, or still under the rubble.[307]

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:40

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:35

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:33
Τι σχέση έχει το minusrus με αυτά που έβαλα τώρα. Εσύ μίλησες για ΟΗΕ και για δήμαρχο Μαριούπολης. Αυτούς παρέθεσα σε δεύτερο στάδιο αφού τους θεωρείς αξιόπιστους.

Ukraine stated

Ukraine stated

Ukraine stated

Ναι αλλά αρχικά σου έβαλα και τον ΟΗΕ και τον δήμαρχο Μαριούπολης. Αυτά που έφερες ως παράδειγμα δηλαδή.

Mariupol's deputy mayor Serhiy Orlov stated on 9 March that at least 1,170 civilians in the city had been killed in the city since Russia's invasion began and the dead were being buried in mass graves.[297] On 11 March, the city council stated that at least 1,582 civilians had been killed during the siege, increasing that number on 13 March to 2,187 having been killed by the latter date.[298][299] On 14 March, Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, stated that more than 2,500 civilians had been killed in Mariupol's siege.[300] However, the city council later clarified that 2,357 civilians had died.[301]

On 11 April, Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boychenko stated that over 10,000 civilians had died in the Russian siege of Mariupol.[304] On 12 April, city officials reported that up to 20,000 civilians had been killed.[304] On the same day, the Mayor of the city reported that about 21,000 civilians had been killed.[305] An updated Ukrainian death toll the following month put the number of civilians killed at at least 22,000.[306]

Boychenko called it “one of the worst genocides of civilians in modern history.

By mid-June, The United Nations stated it had confirmed the deaths of 1,348 civilians, but said the true death toll was "likely thousands higher".[40][41][42]

Michelle Bachelet

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:55

Libre arbitre έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:40

Bazoomba έγραψε: 05 Μαρ 2023, 17:35

Ναι αλλά αρχικά σου έβαλα και τον ΟΗΕ και τον δήμαρχο Μαριούπολης. Αυτά που έφερες ως παράδειγμα δηλαδή.

Mariupol's deputy mayor Serhiy Orlov stated on 9 March that at least 1,170 civilians in the city had been killed in the city since Russia's invasion began and the dead were being buried in mass graves.[297] On 11 March, the city council stated that at least 1,582 civilians had been killed during the siege, increasing that number on 13 March to 2,187 having been killed by the latter date.[298][299] On 14 March, Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, stated that more than 2,500 civilians had been killed in Mariupol's siege.[300] However, the city council later clarified that 2,357 civilians had died.[301]

On 11 April, Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boychenko stated that over 10,000 civilians had died in the Russian siege of Mariupol.[304] On 12 April, city officials reported that up to 20,000 civilians had been killed.[304] On the same day, the Mayor of the city reported that about 21,000 civilians had been killed.[305] An updated Ukrainian death toll the following month put the number of civilians killed at at least 22,000.[306]

Boychenko called it “one of the worst genocides of civilians in modern history.

By mid-June, The United Nations stated it had confirmed the deaths of 1,348 civilians, but said the true death toll was "likely thousands higher".[40][41][42]

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Michelle Bachelet

By mid-June, The United Nations stated it had confirmed the deaths of 1,348 civilians, but said the true death toll was "likely thousands higher".[40][41][42]

By mid-June, The United Nations stated it had confirmed the deaths of 1,348 civilians, but said the true death toll was "likely thousands higher".[40][41][42]