Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
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Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:16
Καλή προσπάθεια από το Φοξ, αλλά μια μικρή βιοτεχνία της πλάκας δεν μπορεί να τα βάλει με το τραστ της βαριάς βιομηχανίας ψέματος και λάσπηςΣενέκας έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:15και?Λίνο Βεντούρα έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:12 Μπήκα στο νήμα να δω τι παπαριά έγραψαν πάλι το cnn και η WP.
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:18
Κατάλαβα. Θρύψαλα το τραπέζι. Ξεχειλίζει η αγανάκτησηΛίνο Βεντούρα έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:16Καλή προσπάθεια από το Φοξ, αλλά μια μικρή βιοτεχνία της πλάκας δεν μπορεί να τα βάλει με το τραστ της βαριάς βιομηχανίας ψέματος και λάσπηςΣενέκας έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:15και?Λίνο Βεντούρα έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:12 Μπήκα στο νήμα να δω τι παπαριά έγραψαν πάλι το cnn και η WP.
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:21
έχει ξεχειλίσει εδώ και χρόνια, εσύ πού ήσουν;
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:29
Σενέκας έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 19:03Ελπίζω ότι δε θα χρειαστεί να κάνω tag. Φαντάζομαι ότι η anti-fake news crusader gang του πχορουμ είναι εξοργισμένη, αν και δεν πρόσεξα την αντίδραση:-?Σάλος στις ΗΠΑ: Το Fox News κρόπαρε φωτογραφία για να μη φαίνεται ο Τραμπ δίπλα στον Επστάιν
Το Fox News αναγκάστηκε να ζητήσει συγγνώμη επειδή «κρόπαρε» τον Ντόναλντ Τραμπ, αφαιρώντας το πρόσωπό του από φωτογραφία με τον Τζέφρι Επστάιν και την Γκισλέιν Μάξγουελ, από τον Φεβρουάριο του 2000, στο θέρετρο του Τραμπ, στο Μαρ-α-Λάγκο
Το Fox News αναγκάστηκε να ζητήσει συγγνώμη επειδή «κρόπαρε» τον Ντόναλντ Τραμπ, αφαιρώντας το πρόσωπό του από φωτογραφία με τον Τζέφρι Επστάιν και την Γκισλέιν Μάξγουελ, από τον Φεβρουάριο του 2000, στο θέρετρο του Τραμπ, στο Μαρ-α-Λάγκο.
«Την Κυριακή 5 Ιουλίου, σε ένα ρεπορτάζ για την Γκισλέιν Μάξγουελ στην εκπομπή ‘America’s News HQ’ του Fox New εσφαλμένα αφαίρεσε τον Ντόναλντ Τραμπ από φωτογραφία όπου πόζαρε με τη Μελάνια Κνάους (μετέπειτα Τραμπ), τον Τζέφρι Επστάιν και την Μάξγουελ» ανέφερε εκπρόσωπος του τηλεοπτικού δικτύου, προσθέτοντας πως «λυπούμαστε για το λάθος».
Έχει ξαναγίνει
Σύμφωνα με δημοσίευμα του CNN, Η κίνηση αυτή προκάλεσε έντονες επικρίσεις.
Πάντως, δεν ήταν η πρώτη φορά που το Fox News αναγνωρίζει εσφαλμένη χρήση φωτογραφιών που συνοδεύουν ρεπορτάζ. Στα μέσα Ιουνίου και πάλι οδηγήθηκε σε δημόσια συγγνώμη, όταν δημοσίευσε ψηφιακά παραποιημένες και παραπλανητικές εικόνες από διαδήλωση στο Σιάτλ.
https://www.in.gr/2020/07/07/world/salo ... n-epstain/
Το Fox απολογήθηκε επειδή δεν ήθελε να φανεί ο Τραμπ σε μια φωτο, την οποία ωστόσο παρέθεσαν.
Τα γαΪδουροκάναλα που υποστηρίζεις θα απολογηθούν ποτέ για τα fake news;
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:36
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:52
Warning Signs of Gaslighting
Spoiler
"Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn't realize how much they've been brainwashed."
1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.
2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.
3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.
4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.
6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.
7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.
8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.
9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.
10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.
The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.
1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.
2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.
3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.
4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.
6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.
7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.
8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.
9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.
10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.
The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:55
Την επίσημη αντιμετώπιση του κορονοϊού περιγράφει;talaipwros έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:52
Warning Signs of Gaslightinghttps://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... aslightingSpoiler
"Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn't realize how much they've been brainwashed."
1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.
2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.
3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.
4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.
6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.
7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.
8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.
9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.
10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.
The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:59
Εν τω μεταξύ έβαλε το manual των δημοκρατικών.LOUROS έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:55Την επίσημη αντιμετώπιση του κορονοϊού περιγράφει;talaipwros έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:52
Warning Signs of Gaslightinghttps://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... aslightingSpoiler
"Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn't realize how much they've been brainwashed."
1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.
2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.
3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.
4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.
6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.
7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.
8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.
9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.
10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.
The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:04
talaipwros έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 21:52Warning Signs of Gaslightinghttps://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog ... aslightingSpoiler
"Gaslighting is a tactic in which a person or entity, in order to gain more power, makes a victim question their reality. It works much better than you may think. Anyone is susceptible to gaslighting, and it is a common technique of abusers, dictators, narcissists, and cult leaders. It is done slowly, so the victim doesn't realize how much they've been brainwashed."
1. They tell blatant lies.
You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.
2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.
You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality and start accepting theirs.
3. They use what is near and dear to you as ammunition.
They know how important your kids are to you, and they know how important your identity is to you. So those may be one of the first things they attack. If you have kids, they tell you that you should not have had those children. They will tell you'd be a worthy person if only you didn't have a long list of negative traits. They attack the foundation of your being.
4. They wear you down over time.
This is one of the insidious things about gaslighting—it is done gradually, over time. A lie here, a lie there, a snide comment every so often...and then it starts ramping up. Even the brightest, most self-aware people can be sucked into gaslighting—it is that effective. It's the "frog in the frying pan" analogy: The heat is turned up slowly, so the frog never realizes what's happening to it.
5. Their actions do not match their words.
When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk. What they are doing is the issue.
6. They throw in positive reinforcement to confuse you.
This person or entity that is cutting you down, telling you that you don't have value, is now praising you for something you did. This adds an additional sense of uneasiness. You think, "Well maybe they aren't so bad." Yes, they are. This is a calculated attempt to keep you off-kilter—and again, to question your reality. Also look at what you were praised for; it is probably something that served the gaslighter.
7. They know confusion weakens people.
Gaslighters know that people like having a sense of stability and normalcy. Their goal is to uproot this and make you constantly question everything. And humans' natural tendency is to look to the person or entity that will help you feel more stable—and that happens to be the gaslighter.
8. They project.
They are a drug user or a cheater, yet they are constantly accusing you of that. This is done so often that you start trying to defend yourself, and are distracted from the gaslighter's own behavior.
9. They try to align people against you.
Gaslighters are masters at manipulating and finding the people they know will stand by them no matter what—and they use these people against you. They will make comments such as, "This person knows that you're not right," or "This person knows you're useless too." Keep in mind it does not mean that these people actually said these things. A gaslighter is a constant liar. When the gaslighter uses this tactic it makes you feel like you don't know who to trust or turn to—and that leads you right back to the gaslighter. And that's exactly what they want: Isolation gives them more control.
10. They tell you or others that you are crazy.
This is one of the most effective tools of the gaslighter, because it's dismissive. The gaslighter knows if they question your sanity, people will not believe you when you tell them the gaslighter is abusive or out-of-control. It's a master technique.
11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.
By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.
The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.
Spoiler
Why Gaslighters Accuse You of Gaslighting
Accusing you of their own behavior is a classic gaslighter's tactic.
Gaslighters — people who try to control others through manipulation — will often accuse you of behaviors that they are engaged in themselves. This is a classic manipulation tactic.
In my post, Gaslighting: Know It and Identify It to Protect Yourself, and in my book Gaslighting: Recognize Manipulative and Emotionally Abusive People — and Break Free, I describe gaslighting as a series of manipulation tactics used to discredit you, keep you off balance, and have you question your reality. The gaslighter uses these tactics in order to get “revenge” or gain control over you.
Gaslighting tactics include:
Blatantly lying.
Splitting — pitting you against a friend or family member.
Working to align others against you.
Telling others that you are crazy, unstable, or manipulative.
Lying about things they said and did, even though you swear those things happened.
Telling you they don’t like your family and friends — but for vague reasons.
Many gaslighters...:
Cheat in relationships, yet accuse their victims of cheating.
Accuse their victims of being addicts, when they are the true addicts.
Accuse their victims of manipulation, when they are the ones who manipulate.
Gaslighters will accuse others of these actions even when there is direct evidence that they are engaging in the same behaviors. Why do gaslighters do this? They are making pre-emptive strikes and/or projecting.
Pre-Emptive Strike
First, the pre-emptive strike tactic. The gaslighter is cheating: They are planning secret meetings with their lovers, and getting a rush from it. They are invested in keeping up the charade. To keep you off kilter, they start accusing you of cheating. The goal is to keep you so busy defending yourself and being emotionally distraught that you don’t have enough time to pay attention to the gaslighter’s own behavior. By accusing you, the gaslighter has bought themselves time. The gaslighter can go as far as claiming they saw you out with someone — when in fact you were at home waiting for the gaslighter to show up late from work again. The gaslighter has you in a bind — you can’t prove that something never happened. But you try and try to prove to them that you did nothing wrong — though whatever evidence you produce is not good enough for the gaslighter. You become more concerned about being falsely accused than paying attention to the gaslighter’s own behavior.
The gaslighter may even present “evidence” to others of being manipulated by his or her victim. This evidence may be completely fabricated by the gaslighter, or the gaslighter takes facts and manipulates them, or “forgets” to share them. For example, the gaslighter tells your friends that they are sure you are cheating because you “claimed” you were working late a few nights this week. You actually were working late a few nights this week — to earn extra money in overtime. But the gaslighter conveniently leaves this fact out when badmouthing you to your friends. When you remind the gaslighter that you told them you were working late, they deny you ever told them — and then bring up another reason why they are “convinced” you are cheating.
Let’s say the gaslighter in your life is addicted to heroin. You suspect they have stolen money from you to feed their addiction. Before even getting a chance to confront them, the gaslighter calmly tells you that they are concerned you are an alcoholic. You immediately go into defense mode — no one has ever accused you of this before, and it is a shock. It throws you into a tailspin. The gaslighter brings up times where they knew you were drunk — but you don’t recall any of these times. The gaslighter may even accuse you of blacking out, and claims that’s why you can’t remember. You start questioning your sanity — and this is exactly the goal of the gaslighter. Meanwhile, the gaslighter keeps using, and stealing.
Besides direct contact with the victim and their family and friends, the gaslighter also uses social media as a way to accuse and deflect from their own behavior. The gaslighter knows that once something is posted on social media, the information travels quickly. The gaslighter is also in a position of power on social media by never having to answer questions about the truth of their claims, thus perpetuating the gaslighter's lie.
Projecting
The gaslighter may accuse you of being manipulative because they are projecting — one of the most commonly-used defense mechanisms: I can’t own up to my behavior, so I’m going to put it on you. While a pre-emptive strike is a gaslighter’s conscious choice to manipulate you for their gain, projection can take place on a conscious or unconscious level. While some gaslighters are very aware that they are putting their behavior on someone else to get what they want, some who are projecting are not aware that they are doing it. In either case, projection is an unhealthy behavior and should not be tolerated.
Some gaslighters unconsciously project out of guilt or shame. In the case of narcissistic personality disorder, narcissists feel they are totally okay, and think that everyone else has a problem. This is called ego-syntonic behavior. It is very difficult to get a narcissistic gaslighter to get help through counseling, because they think you have the problem, not them. Projecting behavior can get to the point where a gaslighter delusionally believes that they are being persecuted by the victim, when in fact the opposite is true.
Whatever the origin of the gaslighter’s accusatory behavior, they are still 100 percent responsible for it. Treat all cases of accusations toward you as what they are — accusations, not facts. There is no need to spend extra energy trying to defend yourself; it will never be good enough. Instead, take a hard look at whether the behavior the gaslighter accuses you of is actually something they are doing. Don’t let smoke and mirrors get in the way of uncovering the gaslighter’s behavior for what it is — manipulation of you and others by way of accusation and distraction.
Accusing you of their own behavior is a classic gaslighter's tactic.
Gaslighters — people who try to control others through manipulation — will often accuse you of behaviors that they are engaged in themselves. This is a classic manipulation tactic.
In my post, Gaslighting: Know It and Identify It to Protect Yourself, and in my book Gaslighting: Recognize Manipulative and Emotionally Abusive People — and Break Free, I describe gaslighting as a series of manipulation tactics used to discredit you, keep you off balance, and have you question your reality. The gaslighter uses these tactics in order to get “revenge” or gain control over you.
Gaslighting tactics include:
Blatantly lying.
Splitting — pitting you against a friend or family member.
Working to align others against you.
Telling others that you are crazy, unstable, or manipulative.
Lying about things they said and did, even though you swear those things happened.
Telling you they don’t like your family and friends — but for vague reasons.
Many gaslighters...:
Cheat in relationships, yet accuse their victims of cheating.
Accuse their victims of being addicts, when they are the true addicts.
Accuse their victims of manipulation, when they are the ones who manipulate.
Gaslighters will accuse others of these actions even when there is direct evidence that they are engaging in the same behaviors. Why do gaslighters do this? They are making pre-emptive strikes and/or projecting.
Pre-Emptive Strike
First, the pre-emptive strike tactic. The gaslighter is cheating: They are planning secret meetings with their lovers, and getting a rush from it. They are invested in keeping up the charade. To keep you off kilter, they start accusing you of cheating. The goal is to keep you so busy defending yourself and being emotionally distraught that you don’t have enough time to pay attention to the gaslighter’s own behavior. By accusing you, the gaslighter has bought themselves time. The gaslighter can go as far as claiming they saw you out with someone — when in fact you were at home waiting for the gaslighter to show up late from work again. The gaslighter has you in a bind — you can’t prove that something never happened. But you try and try to prove to them that you did nothing wrong — though whatever evidence you produce is not good enough for the gaslighter. You become more concerned about being falsely accused than paying attention to the gaslighter’s own behavior.
The gaslighter may even present “evidence” to others of being manipulated by his or her victim. This evidence may be completely fabricated by the gaslighter, or the gaslighter takes facts and manipulates them, or “forgets” to share them. For example, the gaslighter tells your friends that they are sure you are cheating because you “claimed” you were working late a few nights this week. You actually were working late a few nights this week — to earn extra money in overtime. But the gaslighter conveniently leaves this fact out when badmouthing you to your friends. When you remind the gaslighter that you told them you were working late, they deny you ever told them — and then bring up another reason why they are “convinced” you are cheating.
Let’s say the gaslighter in your life is addicted to heroin. You suspect they have stolen money from you to feed their addiction. Before even getting a chance to confront them, the gaslighter calmly tells you that they are concerned you are an alcoholic. You immediately go into defense mode — no one has ever accused you of this before, and it is a shock. It throws you into a tailspin. The gaslighter brings up times where they knew you were drunk — but you don’t recall any of these times. The gaslighter may even accuse you of blacking out, and claims that’s why you can’t remember. You start questioning your sanity — and this is exactly the goal of the gaslighter. Meanwhile, the gaslighter keeps using, and stealing.
Besides direct contact with the victim and their family and friends, the gaslighter also uses social media as a way to accuse and deflect from their own behavior. The gaslighter knows that once something is posted on social media, the information travels quickly. The gaslighter is also in a position of power on social media by never having to answer questions about the truth of their claims, thus perpetuating the gaslighter's lie.
Projecting
The gaslighter may accuse you of being manipulative because they are projecting — one of the most commonly-used defense mechanisms: I can’t own up to my behavior, so I’m going to put it on you. While a pre-emptive strike is a gaslighter’s conscious choice to manipulate you for their gain, projection can take place on a conscious or unconscious level. While some gaslighters are very aware that they are putting their behavior on someone else to get what they want, some who are projecting are not aware that they are doing it. In either case, projection is an unhealthy behavior and should not be tolerated.
Some gaslighters unconsciously project out of guilt or shame. In the case of narcissistic personality disorder, narcissists feel they are totally okay, and think that everyone else has a problem. This is called ego-syntonic behavior. It is very difficult to get a narcissistic gaslighter to get help through counseling, because they think you have the problem, not them. Projecting behavior can get to the point where a gaslighter delusionally believes that they are being persecuted by the victim, when in fact the opposite is true.
Whatever the origin of the gaslighter’s accusatory behavior, they are still 100 percent responsible for it. Treat all cases of accusations toward you as what they are — accusations, not facts. There is no need to spend extra energy trying to defend yourself; it will never be good enough. Instead, take a hard look at whether the behavior the gaslighter accuses you of is actually something they are doing. Don’t let smoke and mirrors get in the way of uncovering the gaslighter’s behavior for what it is — manipulation of you and others by way of accusation and distraction.
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:12
Είναι δυνατόν να λέτε αυτά που λέτε; Ο Τραμπ έχει πει ψέμματα τόσο προφανή που καθαρά το κάνει απλά ώστε όταν τον υπερασπίζετε να πέφτετε κάθε φορά και πιο χαμηλά.
Ξεχάσατε τη μέρα της ορκωμοσίας του που σας έβαλε να πείτε ότι 2+2 = 5;
Που σας είπε το πλήθος αριστερά είναι μεγαλύτερο από αυτό δεξιά;
Τότε που είπε ότι ο πατέρας του γεννήθηκε στη Γερμανία ενώ γεννήθηκε στη Ν. Υόρκη;
Τότε που είπε ότι είναι φίλος με τον Παβαρότι;
Και θα πείτε εσείς για ψέμματα;
Ξεχάσατε τη μέρα της ορκωμοσίας του που σας έβαλε να πείτε ότι 2+2 = 5;
Που σας είπε το πλήθος αριστερά είναι μεγαλύτερο από αυτό δεξιά;
Τότε που είπε ότι ο πατέρας του γεννήθηκε στη Γερμανία ενώ γεννήθηκε στη Ν. Υόρκη;
Τότε που είπε ότι είναι φίλος με τον Παβαρότι;
Και θα πείτε εσείς για ψέμματα;
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:16
Ναι. Και δε σε παίρνει να το ανοίξουμε το θέμα. Όταν βρω χρόνο για χάσιμο θα σου κάνω ένα ποτ πουρί με τα ξεφτιλίκια σας εδώ μέσα, συνοδευόμενα από fake news , τίτλους άρθρων και κοπτοραπτικες βίντεο και δηλώσεων.Dwarven Blacksmith έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:12 Είναι δυνατόν να λέτε αυτά που λέτε; Ο Τραμπ έχει πει ψέμματα τόσο προφανή που καθαρά το κάνει απλά ώστε όταν τον υπερασπίζετε να πέφτετε κάθε φορά και πιο χαμηλά.
Ξεχάσατε τη μέρα της ορκωμοσίας του που σας έβαλε να πείτε ότι 2+2 = 5;
Που σας είπε το πλήθος αριστερά είναι μεγαλύτερο από αυτό δεξιά;
Τότε που είπε ότι ο πατέρας του γεννήθηκε στη Γερμανία ενώ γεννήθηκε στη Ν. Υόρκη;
Τότε που είπε ότι είναι φίλος με τον Παβαρότι;
Και θα πείτε εσείς για ψέμματα;
Σε προκαλώ να κάνεις το ίδιο, αν βρεις χρόνο. Μέχρι τότε κανένας διάλογος όπως σου είπα μαζί σας.
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:18
μείνε στο θέμα μας. Εχει πει ότι δεν ξέρει τον ΕπστάινDwarven Blacksmith έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:12 Είναι δυνατόν να λέτε αυτά που λέτε; Ο Τραμπ έχει πει ψέμματα τόσο προφανή που καθαρά το κάνει απλά ώστε όταν τον υπερασπίζετε να πέφτετε κάθε φορά και πιο χαμηλά.
Ξεχάσατε τη μέρα της ορκωμοσίας του που σας έβαλε να πείτε ότι 2+2 = 5;
Που σας είπε το πλήθος αριστερά είναι μεγαλύτερο από αυτό δεξιά;
Τότε που είπε ότι ο πατέρας του γεννήθηκε στη Γερμανία ενώ γεννήθηκε στη Ν. Υόρκη;
Τότε που είπε ότι είναι φίλος με τον Παβαρότι;
Και θα πείτε εσείς για ψέμματα;
https://i.imgur.com/L46Gc6j.gifv
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:21
Είναι απίστευτο που πάλι δε σχολίαστες τίποτα από τη σύντομη λίστα των 2+2=5 δηλώσεων αλλά πάλι whataboutism.Otto Weininger έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:16Ναι. Και δε σε παίρνει να το ανοίξουμε το θέμα. Όταν βρω χρόνο για χάσιμο θα σου κάνω ένα ποτ πουρί με τα ξεφτιλίκια σας εδώ μέσα, συνοδευόμενα από fake news , τίτλους άρθρων και κοπτοραπτικες βίντεο και δηλώσεων.Dwarven Blacksmith έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:12 Είναι δυνατόν να λέτε αυτά που λέτε; Ο Τραμπ έχει πει ψέμματα τόσο προφανή που καθαρά το κάνει απλά ώστε όταν τον υπερασπίζετε να πέφτετε κάθε φορά και πιο χαμηλά.
Ξεχάσατε τη μέρα της ορκωμοσίας του που σας έβαλε να πείτε ότι 2+2 = 5;
Που σας είπε το πλήθος αριστερά είναι μεγαλύτερο από αυτό δεξιά;
Τότε που είπε ότι ο πατέρας του γεννήθηκε στη Γερμανία ενώ γεννήθηκε στη Ν. Υόρκη;
Τότε που είπε ότι είναι φίλος με τον Παβαρότι;
Και θα πείτε εσείς για ψέμματα;
Σε προκαλώ να κάνεις το ίδιο, αν βρεις χρόνο. Μέχρι τότε κανένας διάλογος όπως σου είπα μαζί σας.
Ρε αυτός θα την κάνει σε λίγο. Θες να είσαι για πάντα το αχόρταγο τσουλάκι του πνευματικού βιαστή σου;
Re: Τι θα γίνει τέλος πάντων με τα φεικνιουζάδικα
Δημοσιεύτηκε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:24
Ε δεν έχει σημασία γιατί θα κάνει θα δείξει θα μπήξει την υποκρισία όταν βρει χρόνο και εξάλλου το CNN είπε ότι τα μαξιλάρια είναι ρατσιστικά.Σενέκας έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:18μείνε στο θέμα μας. Εχει πει ότι δεν ξέρει τον ΕπστάινDwarven Blacksmith έγραψε: 07 Ιούλ 2020, 22:12 Είναι δυνατόν να λέτε αυτά που λέτε; Ο Τραμπ έχει πει ψέμματα τόσο προφανή που καθαρά το κάνει απλά ώστε όταν τον υπερασπίζετε να πέφτετε κάθε φορά και πιο χαμηλά.
Ξεχάσατε τη μέρα της ορκωμοσίας του που σας έβαλε να πείτε ότι 2+2 = 5;
Που σας είπε το πλήθος αριστερά είναι μεγαλύτερο από αυτό δεξιά;
Τότε που είπε ότι ο πατέρας του γεννήθηκε στη Γερμανία ενώ γεννήθηκε στη Ν. Υόρκη;
Τότε που είπε ότι είναι φίλος με τον Παβαρότι;
Και θα πείτε εσείς για ψέμματα;
https://i.imgur.com/L46Gc6j.gifv