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dna replication έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 12:28 https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/15 ... 7686128644

dna replication έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 12:31 οι ΗΠΑ πολεμάνε τη Ρωσία στο ουκρανικό έδαφος

dna replication έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 12:31 οι ΗΠΑ πολεμάνε τη Ρωσία στο ουκρανικό έδαφος

talaipwros έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 13:12

dna replication έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 12:31 οι ΗΠΑ πολεμάνε τη Ρωσία στο ουκρανικό έδαφος

Lols, οχι οι Ρωσοι γινανε ρεζιλι απο τον διαλυμένο Ουκρανικο στρατο.

Αν ηταν οι ΗΠΑ που πολεμαγαν την Ρωσία, θα την πολεμουσαν στα περιχωρα της Μόσχας

The streets of central Grozny were littered with the corpses of young Russian soldiers early this morning after a column of tanks and armoured vehicles suddenly stormed the Chechen capital only to be attacked by entrenched rebel forces wielding rocket-propelled grenades.

Eyewitness reports spoke of at least 100 dead Russian troops at a strategic square south-east of the city centre where a dozen Russian tanks and armoured vehicles were said to be ablaze. The battle represented the first major Russian defeat of the current Chechen war and recalled the kind of humiliation suffered by the Russians in the lost war for the breakaway territory in 1994-96.

The surprise Russian assault followed a day of skirmishes on the outskirts of Grozny and came despite pledges from senior military figures only a few hours before the attack that there would be no Russian assault on Grozny while "a single civilian" remained in the city. There are believed to up to 40,000 civilians cowering in basements and cellars in Grozny.

The attack also appeared to scupper the slight prospect of a negotiated end to the 10-day-old Russian siege of Grozny. President Aslan Maskhadov of Chechnya yesterday pleaded for talks with Russia on terms which came close to capitulation, while Sergey Shoigu, the Russian emergencies minister who has been seeking to evacuate all civilians from Grozny, also signalled a willingness to negotiate.

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The area close to the city centre, just south of the river dissecting Grozny, became a battleground as units of Chechen rebels, well dug in, ambushed a column of some 15 Russian vehicles, including tanks and armoured personnel carriers (APCs). After weeks of aerial bombardment and missile attacks, the ferocity of the Chechen response showed how badly the Russian generals had miscalculated.

Last night the sky was illuminated by the flash of exploding shells and ordnance. Clouds of black smoke rose from the battlefield.

A journalist for the Reuters news agency on the spot said she saw the bodies of 100 dead Russians in Minutka Square just north of the city centre. A reporter for the Associated Press said that all the Russian vehicles were ablaze, surrounded by dead or wounded soldiers.

Khamzat Gelayev, a Chechen guerrilla leader, confirmed that all the Russian vehicles on Minutka Square were destroyed.

Lechi Islamov, one of the commanders of the Chechen forces in Grozny, estimated a between 2,000 and 7,000, said there was fierce fighting in six areas of Grozny as the Russians stepped up the ground operations launched on Tuesday.

"All the fighters offering resistance in Grozny will be liquidated. The greater the resistance, the less chance they have of staying alive," said General Valery Manilov, the deputy chief of the Russian general staff in Moscow.

Gen Manilov said talks with rebels would be a " pointless pursuit".

"The question of Grozny's liberation should take a matter of days. The question of the liberation of the rest of the Chechen territory is a matter of weeks."

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The Russian armoured column was trapped by rebel forces armed with machine guns and shoulder-held anti-tank rockets on the open expanse of the square.

A three-hour battle ensued in which the Russians were soundly beaten for the first time in the current war.

Earlier in the day Gen Manilov had promised western military attaches in Moscow that there would be no Russian storming of Grozny. He predicted that the city would fall to the Russians within days and that the rest of Chechnya would be under Russian control within weeks.

Russian military commanders had previously insisted that there would be no ground assault on Grozny, not least since past attempts to storm the city on the ground have resulted in huge losses and turned Russian public opinion against the previous war.

It appeared that the Russian troops had been sent to their deaths last night in unfamiliar territory where they were ambushed and trapped on the open expanse of the square by the Chechens who know every inch of their battered city.

Speculation was rife in Moscow last night that hardline generals running the campaign had ordered the troops in to thwart any prospect of negotiations over the fate of Grozny.

The generals blame the politicians in Moscow for defeat in the last war, arguing that they were betrayed by a Moscow political elite which opted to pursue a settlement at the wrong time.

zoltan έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 13:49 Η αδιαμφισβήτητη αποτελεσματικότητα των Bayraktar είναι τεράστιος πονοκέφαλος για τις ελληνικές ΕΔ. Ας μην γελιώμαστε, μπορεί στα ελληνικό ίντερνετ ο καθένας να υποβαθμίζει και να λοιδορεί την τουρκική πολεμική βιομηχανία, αλλά το Bayraktar τα έχει πάει περίφημα σε υψηλής έντασης συγκρούσεις κι όχι απλά απέναντι σε αντάρτες. Αν συγκριτικά με τους Αρμένιους μπορούσαμε να πούμε πως έχουμε καλύτερη αεράμυνα, δεν ισχύει το ίδιο σε σχέση με τους Ρώσους. Πολύ περισσότερο όταν βασιζόμαστε αφενός σε παλιά συστήματα μικρού βεληνεκούς (Stinger) αφετέρου σε ρωσικά ΑΑ (Osa AK και TorM1).

Chainis έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 10:58

nostromos έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 01:11

Chainis έγραψε: 20 Μαρ 2022, 01:02

Για το μόνο που κατηγορώ την Ρωσία είναι ότι επιτέθηκε στη ντάλα σε ανεξάρτητη χώρα.
Για τίποτα άλλο.
Το ίδιο θα κατηγορούμε και την Αμερική αν ήταν στην θέση της.

αυτο εννοειται και δεν θα χρειαζεται να το αναφερουμε συνεχως λες και θα περασουμε απο κανενα δικαστηριο ...
αλλα το θεμα ειναι αν υπηρχε αλλος τροπος απο το να συρθουμε να παρουμε θεση με το μαχαιρι στο λαιμο ... γιατι αυτη τη στιγμη εχουμε συρθει σε περιπετεια που δεν γνωριζουμε που μπορει να καταληξει ... η κυβερνηση των ΗΠΑ δεν εχει αφησει ουτε διαυλο επικοινωνιας αν στραβωσει

Να το θυμόμαστε γιατί από αυτό ξεκίνησε και θα συνεχιστεί η τρέχουσα κατάσταση.

Αν το 38 η Δύση έπαιρνε αντίστοιχα μέτρα για την Γερμανία (στην εντυπωσιακής ομοιότητας περίπτωση της Τσεχοσλοβακιας) ίσως η ιστορία να είχε γραφτεί αλλιώς.
Αντ αυτου ο Τσάμπερλεν κουνούσε θριαμβευτικά στον αέρα την συμφωνία του Μονάχου βγαίνοντας από το αεροπλάνο.

Οι δίαυλοι δημιουργούνται όταν χρειάζονται, μην ανησυχείς.
Βρήκαν δίαυλο οι Ουκρανοί με τους Ρώσους την ώρα που σφάζονται πχ.