Γιατί η Τουρκία δεν επεμβαίνει ενεργά υπέρ Αζερμπαϊτζάν για το Ναγκόρνο Καραμπάχ;

[Οργισμένος]

Ταφοπλακα;;;


εεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεεε τι αλλο πια να ακουσουμε...

[zoltan]

Ο αριθμός των επιβεβαιωμένων νεκρών Αρμενίων ανέβηκε στους 2996.

[adon99]

Να δεις που στο τέλος της ημέρας θα πιάσουν τόπο τα αντιαεροπορικά Άρτεμις που κατασκεύασε η ΕΒΟ τη δεκαετία του 80. Τα είχαν σχεδόν παροπλίσει επειδή δεν είχαν ραντάρ, αλλά τα ντρόνς μόνο χειροκίνητα τα καταρρίπτεις
Οπλουργικά καλά ήταν, μόνο που δεν είχαν ηλεκτρονικά

ουτε προσθεση...

Το F-112 stealth καταριφθηκε στο βελιγραδι απο αντιαεροπορικα της δεκαετιας του 50. Που με τη σωστη τακτικη το παγιδεψαν και το κατεριψαν βαζοντας ταφοπλακα στο προγραμμα του F-112.
Εφοσον δε μπορουν να καταριφθουν με αλλο τροπο παμε χειροκινητα

Χειροκινητα καταριπτεις τα drones αμα εισαι μουλας στην ερημο.Με ηλεκτρονικα συστηματα παρεμβολων τα εξοντωνεις

[zoltan]

και κάτι για τους Σύρους μισθοφόρους

The Syrian mercenaries used as 'cannon fodder' in Nagorno-Karabakh
By Ed Butler
BBC News

Published2 days ago

Nagorno-Karabakh conflict


It was back in August of this year that the rumours started to circulate in rebel-held areas of northern Syria: there was well-paid work to be had overseas.

"I had a friend who told me that there is a very good job you can do, just to be at military checkpoints in Azerbaijan," one man told me.

"They told us our mission would be to serve as sentries on the border - as peacekeepers. They were offering $2,000 a month! It felt like a fortune for us," said another, whom I will call Qutaiba.

Both applied for the job through Turkish-backed rebel factions that make up what's known as the Syrian National Army, a force in northern Syria opposed to President Bashar al-Assad.

In an area where few earn more than $1 a day, the promised salary seemed like a godsend. It's estimated that somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 men signed up and travelled to Azerbaijan, via Turkey, on Turkish military transport aircraft.

But the work wasn't what it seemed. The men, many of them with no military experience, were being recruited for war - as they soon discovered when they were taken to the front line and ordered to fight.

"I didn't expect to survive," Qutaiba says. "It seemed like a 1% chance. Death was all around us."

Short presentational grey line
Nagorno-Karabakh is a disputed enclave that fell under Armenian control during a bloody conflict that ended in a ceasefire in 1994. Tens of thousands died and hundreds of thousands were displaced, both from the enclave itself and from surrounding territory occupied by Armenian forces. The international community has not recognised the self-declared Republic of Artsakh (the Armenian name for Nagorno-Karabakh) and this year, sensing its growing military superiority, Azerbaijan decided to go on the attack.

Although Azerbaijan and its ally Turkey deny the use of mercenaries, researchers have amassed a considerable amount of photographic evidence, drawn from videos and photographs the fighters have posted online, which tells a different story.

The Syrians seem to have been deployed on the southern flank of the Azeri advance, where casualties on both sides were extremely high. The fighters I spoke to came under heavy fire and seemed to have been traumatised by their experiences. They didn't want to be identified, for fear of reprisal from militia commanders, so I have given them different names.

Peace deal graphic
"My first battle began the day after I arrived," says Ismael.

"I and about 30 guys were sent to the front line. We walked for about 50m when suddenly a rocket landed near us. I threw myself to the ground. The shelling lasted for 30 minutes non-stop. Those minutes felt like years. It was then I regretted coming to Azerbaijan."

"We didn't know what to do, how to react," says Samir, who adds that he and many of his fellow recruits had virtually no military experience or training.

"I saw men dying, and others who just went crazily running. They didn't have any sense of where they were going, because they were basically civilians."

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All of the men say they were given little protective equipment or medical support. Many of their fellow fighters appear to have bled to death from wounds that battlefield medics could easily have treated.

"The hardest moment was when one of my mates was hit," says Ismael, who was himself later hospitalised with shrapnel wounds. "He was 20m away from me when the shell landed. I saw him fall. He was calling to me, screaming. But his spot was exposed to the Armenian machine guns. I couldn't help him. In the end, he just died there."

Another Syrian says he was paralysed by fear when the shelling started.

"I remember I just sat on the ground and cried and my injured friends started to cry as well," he says. "One guy got shrapnel in his head. He died right there... Every day I see this. When it comes to me, I sit and cry, even now. I don't know how I survived this war."

Short presentational grey line
Estimates vary as to the exact death toll among the Syrian fighters. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based group that monitors the conflict in Syria, puts the figure at more than 500. This compares to reported figures of more than 2,400 on the Armenian side, and nearly 3,000 on Azerbaijan's side, though Azerbaijan doesn't acknowledge that any Syrians were among them.

"We don't use mercenaries," the country's president, Ilham Aliyev, told the France 24 news network in October.

"This is our official statement and since the outbreak not a single country presented evidence of that. And moreover we don't need that. We have an army of more than 100,000 fighters and what we are doing now on the ground demonstrates that our army is capable of liberating its lands itself."

This is an interesting point. Why would Azerbaijan recruit Syrian fighters?

Military analyst Michael Kofman, head of the Russia programme at the CNA military research centre in Washington DC, says the goal seems to have been to minimise Azeri troop casualties.

"They took quite a few casualties early on, especially in the south-east, and these mercenaries were essentially used as expendable assault troops to go in the first wave," he says.

"They calculated quite cynically that if it turned out these offensives were not successful early on, then it was best these casualties would be among mercenaries not Azerbaijani forces.

'Nobody cares about mercenaries."

Elizabeth Tsurkov, a fellow at the Centre for Global Policy, also in Washington DC, who has spoken to dozens of Syrians who took part in the conflict, agrees that they were "used as cannon fodder".

"They're cheap. They can be rushed to the front line with very little preparation, as was the case in Azerbaijan - essentially people to whom you can strap a Kalashnikov and tell, 'Go capture that hill, go capture that forest,'" she says.

And, she points out, they are desperately poor, "so they are willing to go and risk their lives".

However, within a few days of the outbreak of the fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh, in late September, hundreds were laying down weapons and refusing to fight. Two of those I spoke to were among them, and one sent a video of the strikers outside the barracks where they were stationed.


"The commanders started to threaten us that they'd put us in jail in Azerbaijan for nine months. Then they told us that even when we got back to Syria, they'd arrest us," says Samir.

"But there were 500 of us on strike at that point and we did start to have an effect on them. They put together a list of our names. Then five or six days later they came and told us to get ourselves ready: 'You are leaving.'"

Samir says that none of these men were paid a penny of the $2,000 they had been promised, and many did not get back the personal possessions they had arrived with in Azerbaijan.

He also claims that on their return to Syria, commanders of a rebel faction summarily killed four men accused of organising the strike. The BBC has been unable to verify this allegation.

Short presentational grey line
Nagorno-Karabakh is not the first conflict in which Syrian fighters have been recruited to serve recently. Allegedly through Russian and Turkish-backed security firms, Syrians from both the rebel and government-held areas have been fighting in the civil war in Libya for the last year or more - and on different sides.

A mercenary representing the internationally recognised Libyan government forces, supported by Turkey, told me he'd personally participated in the capture of former pro-Assad Syrian soldiers when driving back Russian-backed forces loyal to Gen Khalifa Haftar.


"We are not sending fighters to Libya. We have deep historical and close kinship ties to Libya and we want to see a political solution and in Libya now there is a chance for peace and talks," Turkey's ambassador to London, Umit Yalcin, told me.

When I mentioned what the Syrian fighters had told me about Turkey's role in recruiting them to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh, he echoed Azerbaijan's official denials. "Of course these claims are baseless and not helpful in terms of achieving justice and peace and stability," he said. "We should focus on the deal for peace and justice in the region."

He also alleged that Kurdish mercenaries had been fighting on the Armenian side - a claim Armenia has rejected.

Calling on 11 November for mercenaries in the conflict zone to be withdrawn, UN human rights experts said widespread reports indicated that Turkey had engaged in large-scale recruitment and transfer of Syrian men to Azerbaijan. At the same time, they said they were looking into reports that Armenia had been involved in the deployment of foreign nationals to fight in the conflict.


Today, a Russian-brokered ceasefire is in operation in Nagorno-Karabakh. Under its terms, Azerbaijan has reclaimed a significant proportion of the land it lost in the 1990s. Military analysts say that it was above all its superiority in the air, using Israeli and Turkish drone technology, that enabled Azerbaijan to achieve the victory it now claims.

Meanwhile, back in Syria, two of the mercenaries are trying to put the experience behind them.

"I feel guilty for becoming a mercenary. I feel ashamed," says Samir, even though he refused to fight after just three days on the front line.

"When people ask me, 'Did I travel?' I say no - even though they know that I went. I feel like I am very small in their eyes… When I got there I did say no to war. I objected to what was happening. But I'm ashamed because I trusted the mercenaries. That's why I feel shame."


This month there are unconfirmed reports in Syrian media of a new recruitment drive in government-controlled areas. It's suggested that former pro-Assad soldiers have been signed up, through Russian intermediaries, to guard "oil installations" in Venezuela, on the promise of generous salaries. The BBC has not been able independently to confirm these claims. But Elizabeth Tsurkov says that, if true, it would follow a familiar pattern.

"The problem is Syria is so destroyed, the economy is so destroyed, that any actor wishing to recruit fighters on the cheap can find them in Syria," she says.

"You know, this is a population that has suffered immensely - displacement, chemical weapons, starvation, sieges, extermination in prisons - and now Syrians are basically just accepting the logic of an international community that does not value their lives and sees them as pawns."

I ask Samir what he would say to fellow Syrians tempted by similar offers of work abroad.

"I'd tell them you'll lose everything, even your dignity. You won't get anything and you might lose your life. Even if you are poor, being desperate here in Syria is way better than going to fight for something far away you don't know anything about."

Qutaiba, who joined the rebel Free Syrian Army as a student at the start of the revolution, asks those who would judge the Syrians who travelled to Azerbaijan to imagine what it is like being unable to afford milk or nappies for their children.

"Those who see us as mercenaries, they don't see our poverty and our need. We would do anything to help our children. It's the worst thing to see your child needing milk and you can't provide it. In our place you too would make the same decision."

[adon99]

Τις τελευταιες ωρες αζερο-τουρκοι επιτεθηκαν σε χωρια αρμενιων στην περιοχη που υποτιθεται "προστατευονται" απο τους ρωσους στρατιωτες

ηδη σκοτωθηκαν αρμενιοι και οι ρωσοι απλα κοιτανε

[dna replication]

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1337807744007626757

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https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1337835003418435585

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https://twitter.com/wrongname46/status/ ... 5277897733

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https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/ ... 5255116800

[nostromos]

ολοι στον αγωνα να πεσει ο φιλοδυτικος Pashinyan ...

[Juno]

Είναι σύμμαχοι των Ρώσων οι Αρμένιοι?

Έτσι νόμιζαν.



Και μία ενδιαφέρουσα ανάλυση.
Armenian Genocide 2020 And War On Iran — Brought To You By NATO/Israel

Armenian Genocide 2020 And War On Iran — Brought To You By NATO/Israel
ASB Military

Chances are, you’ve been fed paid-propaganda about the Azerbaijan/Armenia conflict. 87% of Google search results show misinformation and propaganda on the events in Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh). Majority of Western mainstream media write stories condemning the Armenian side, claiming Armenia committed war crimes against Azerbaijanis.
But how accurate is that? Let’s have a look.

There is ONE video of Armenian soldiers commiting what could be classified as a ‘war crime’. It shows an execution of an Azerbaijani soldier captured in the battlefield, at night, most likely after heavy battles- using a gun. This video came a few days after Azeris skinned and decapitated a very young Armenian soldier.

That is it. Nothing else has ever been caught on camera.

Now let’s have a look at Azerbaijan.

ASB is in possession of over 40 videos of Azerbaijanis committing war crimes in Artsakh. These include executions of civilians and soldiers, decapitations, torture, mutilations, abuse, humiliation & cluster bombing of civilian settlements.

One recent video takes the cake. The video shows Azeri soldiers cutting the head off of an Armenian civilian and placing his body on a dead pig.



Azerbaijani military chops off head of an Armenian civilian, places it on a
dead pig.Artsakh, 2020


The video shows the corpse of a civilian with the head missing, the Azeri soldier approaches the body with his boot and starts stepping on the civilian’s stomach- in order for blood to squirt out of the chopped off neck- for extra camera points.


Azerbaijani military stepping on the stomach of a decapitated civilian,
blood gushing from neck. Artsakh, 2020

Then the camera angle changes and shows a head chopped off, which is disturbingly still moving facial muscles, mouth, expressions, etc. The head was placed directly onto a dead pig as seen in the first photo, but then fell on the ground. One soldier made sure to grab the head and adjust it on the ground, so it faces the camera. The Azerbaijani soldiers are laughing during all of this. The video can be found on ASB’s Twitter (@ASBMilitary).

As disturbing as this content may be, it’s not the worst of all things.

The most disturbing part of all this is that NATO and Israel are directly involved in these atrocities against civilians. The Azerbaijani military has been under Turkish command during the Artsakh war. Azeri soldiers were committing these vile acts under the command of NATO.


USA, Israel and Turkey were playing a bigger game in Artsakh

How is the US involved in all this? Apart from attempting to negotiate a ceasefire, which everyone knew would flop within minutes, the US stayed quiet. This is for a good reason.

USA’s current Number One enemy is Iran.

This is where Azerbaijan comes into the picture. It’s widely known that the president of Azerbaijan, I. Aliyev, did not have commanding power over this conflict. Turkey’s Erdogan did. That is why all ceasefire attempts failed — until Erdogan was involved and got the green light from Russia to set up a military base “Monitoring centre” in Azerbaijan. As Artsakh territory transitions into Azerbaijani rule of law and military protection, its highly likely that this Turkish “Monitoring Centre” will expand with it — all over Azeri-occupied Artsakh (Nagorno Karabakh).

Turkey is a member of NATO. NATO is led and financed by the US.
Azerbaijan has assisted Israel and the US with espionage campaigns on Iran, letting Israel’s Mossad run operations from Azerbaijani territory.

Whenever Israel makes a move against Iran or its interests in the region, USA knows about it first. Trump was expected to make a power-move against Iran before he leaves office. It was also expected that Israel will strike Iran’s nuclear facilities. Earlier on today, Mohsen Fakhrizade, the most prominent and important Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in Iran. He’s dubbed to be the “Soleimani of Iran’s nuclear sector” “The Father of Iran’s nuclear capability”.

As you can imagine, this move will deliver a huge blow to the Iranian nuclear field. This man was responsible for a lot of breakthroughs and most major Iranian nuclear projects and achievements. This is the 4th Iranian nuclear scientist that has been assassinated — by the Israeli and American alliance.


Analysis:

Israeli weapon shipments used by Azerbaijan on Armenian soldiers and civilians likely stem from this event. It is currently reported that the assassins traveled to Iran from Azerbaijani territory. Turkey has imported Syrian jihadists to fight against Armenia, for the Azerbaijanis. During the conflict, many of them tried to cross into Iran. This caused a small conflict on Iranian borders- which caused some casualties. The assassins who killed Mohsen Fakhrizadeh today are most likely the very same Syrian ‘mercenaries’ imported and paid for by Turkey. The countless Israeli weapon shipments to Azerbaijan were likely a part of a deal made between the two countries, in exchange for Azerbaijan hosting the Israeli/US operation against Iran’s Mohsen Fakhrizadeh.

Iran has vowed retaliation for the assassination and has stated that USA, Israel and the US-backed MEK are behind the killing.

The lives of the Armenian people were used as negotiating chips between NATO’s Turkey, Israel/USA and Azerbaijan. At the cost of hurting Iran, the US, Israel & Turkey enabled another genocide against the Armenian people and their history, identity, culture and future. The war machine is not done yet — and it is the Armenian people that paid- and will continue to pay the price for it.



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All materials showed in this article can be found at full length at ASB Military’s Twitter @ASBMilitary.

[fonfon]

Ναγκόρνο - Καραμπάχ: Αποκεφάλισαν Αρμένιους που αρνήθηκαν να φύγουν από τα χωριά τους
Τα φρικτά βίντεο κυκλοφόρησαν στο ίντερνετ

https://m.lifo.gr/now/world/306512/nagk ... ermpaitzan

[Juno]

https://twitter.com/wrongname46/status/ ... 5277897733

[dna replication]

https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1339393804391092224

[dna replication]

Ναγκόρνο - Καραμπάχ: Αποκεφάλισαν Αρμένιους που αρνήθηκαν να φύγουν από τα χωριά τους
Τα φρικτά βίντεο κυκλοφόρησαν στο ίντερνετ

https://m.lifo.gr/now/world/306512/nagk ... ermpaitzan

παίζει πολύ προπαγάνδα και από την αρμένικη πλευρά
just saying