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[Κόκκορας]

η σουηδια ειναι φρη σχετικα

παντως η απορια μου ειναι η εξης,ποιες ειναι αυτες οιε ρευνες βασει των οποιων θεωρει πως στην σουηδια εχουνμολυνθει εκατομμυρια;π.χ

εχετε βρει καμια; δεν εψαξα εγω,αν εκανε τον κοπο κανεις.

[ST48410]

Η Σουηδία δεν μου φαίνεται να μπορεί να συγκριθεί μαζί μας για πολλούς και διάφορους λόγους με κύριους την πυκνότητα του πληθυσμού, το μέγεθος των μεγάλων πόλεων, την μη συνύπαρξη ηλικιωμένων με νέους στο ίδιο σπίτι και την γενική πειθαρχία του πληθυσμού σε οδηγίες.

Ωστόσο ο δικός τους "Τσιόδρας" είπε κάτι ενδιαφέρον. Ότι αυτοί δεν έχουν από τον δικό τους νόμο το δικαίωμα να εφαρμόσουν ανάλογα περιοριστικά μέτρα σε πόλεις ή περιοχές

Οι σουηδικοί νόμοι για τις μεταδιδόμενες νόσους βασίζονται κυρίως σε εθελοντικά μέτρα, στην ατομική υπευθυνότητα. Σαφώς ο πολίτης έχει την ευθύνη να μην εξαπλώνει τη νόσο. Αυτός είναι ο πυρήνας από τον οποίο ξεκινήσαμε, καθώς δεν υπάρχει μεγάλη νομική δυνατότητα να κλείνουμε τις πόλεις στη Σουηδία χρησιμοποιώντας τους υπάρχοντες νόμους. Η καραντίνα μπορεί να εφαρμοστεί για ανθρώπους σε μικρές περιοχές όπως ένα σχολείο ή ξενοδοχείο. Δεν μπορούμε (νομικά) να αποκλείσουμε μια γεωγραφική περιοχή.

https://www.protothema.gr/world/article ... poiimenos/

Μπορεί λοιπόν αυτό που βλέπουμε ως Σουηδικό μοντέλο να έχει να κάνει και με ιδιαιτερότητες της νομοθεσίας τους

[Κόκκορας]

ναι ο ιδιος ειπε οτι τα ποσοστα διαφερουν απο περιοχη σε περιοχη,το παρεθεσα παραπανω,πολυπαραγοντικη η εξισωση
αλλα το θεμα ειναι να δει καποιος τελικα ceteris paribus με ιδιο αριθμο μεθ παντου και καποιους συγκεκριμενους μ.ο τι θνητοτητα τελικα υπαρχει!

[nostromos]

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1252911992391819264

[nostromos]

A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients
Once thought a relatively straightforward respiratory virus, covid-19 is proving to be much more frightening

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... ood-clots/

αυτος ο ιος ειναι τερας...

[nostromos]

12,000 PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE BEEN KILLED BY CORONAVIRUS ONLY IN GUAYAQUIL, ECUADOR

AUTHORITIES OPENED THE LOCKDOWN 2 DAYS AGO, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LEFT THE CITY WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY IN THE "PEAK" OF THE EPIDEMIC

https://www.msn.com/es-es/noticias/espa ... p-BB12lx7S

[nostromos]

BREAKING - FINANCIAL TIMES REPORT

MEXICO IS COVERING UP COVID-19 DEATHS, ESTIMATES PUT THE DEATH TOLL AROUND 5,000 PEOPLE AT THIS POINT

BRAZIL IS ALSO COVERING UP COVID-19 DEATHS, LABELLING THEM AS "PNEUMONIA"-

SCIENTISTS ARE ESTIMATING THAT DEATHS IN MEXICO ARE GOING TO "SKYROCKET" IN THE NEXT 10 TO 14 DAYS

https://www.ft.com/content/7b46b8c3-b39 ... 280cfeed47

[ST48410]

12,000 PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE BEEN KILLED BY CORONAVIRUS ONLY IN GUAYAQUIL, ECUADOR

AUTHORITIES OPENED THE LOCKDOWN 2 DAYS AGO, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LEFT THE CITY WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY IN THE "PEAK" OF THE EPIDEMIC

https://www.msn.com/es-es/noticias/espa ... p-BB12lx7S

Είναι αξιόπιστα αυτά;
Εδώ τους δείχνει με 537 θανάτους. Σε μια χώρα λίγο μεγαλύτερη από εμάς δεν κρύβονται τόσοι θάνατοι.

[nostromos]

12,000 PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE BEEN KILLED BY CORONAVIRUS ONLY IN GUAYAQUIL, ECUADOR

AUTHORITIES OPENED THE LOCKDOWN 2 DAYS AGO, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LEFT THE CITY WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY IN THE "PEAK" OF THE EPIDEMIC

https://www.msn.com/es-es/noticias/espa ... p-BB12lx7S

Είναι αξιόπιστα αυτά;
Εδώ τους δείχνει με 537 θανάτους. Σε μια χώρα λίγο μεγαλύτερη από εμάς δεν κρύβονται τόσοι θάνατοι.

η πολη εχει πληθυσμο 2 εκ. και συστημα υγειας για τα πανηγυρια ...
https://populationstat.com/ecuador/guayaquil

[ST48410]

Κρίμα τους ανθρώπους.

[nostromos]

ο ιδιος ο προεδρος τους λεει οτι ειναι πολυ χειροτερα
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... 7600890321

Even President Lenín Moreno has dismissed the official figures.

"We have to tell the truth," he said in a speech last month. "We know that in terms of both infections and deaths, the numbers are too low. There is not enough testing.

[Στρακαστρουκας]

Η δυση ειναι η κορυφη του παγοβουνου

[ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣ ΓΙΑΝΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

https://twitter.com/joshua_landis/statu ... 0346999808

Another striking set of symptoms in COVID-19 patients centers on the brain and central nervous system.

ΓΙΑΝΝΗΣ ΓΙΑΝΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ

Τι εγινε φιλε,σε γλεντησε παλι ο Χουργιατς;

Με τουιτεριες δεν γλεντησε ποτε κανεΙς

[JohnnyB]

Σωστά μέτρα έχουν παρθεί για να ανοίξουν οι υπηρεσίες σιγά σιγά και τελευταίες οι καφετέριες!!!Οσο και αν βρίζω την κυβέρνηση σε αλλα ζήτηματα οπως το 800αρι και στο ΚΕΚ με το σκοιλ ελικικιου στο θέμα διαχείρισης της κρίσης του Κορονωιού έπαιξε ΤΕΡΑΣΤΙΑ μπάλα.Μπράβο σε όλους μονο ως προς το θέμα αυτό.

[Northern Spirit]

Ωφελη για την Σουηδια απο το οτι απεφυγε τα lockdowns.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... 242BN?il=0

Sweden eyes benefits of spurning lockdown in the face of pandemic
Johan Ahlander, Philip O'Connor
4 MIN READ
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - While much of Europe remained in lockdown, students played table tennis and made weekend plans at Kunskapsskolan, one of many Swedish schools kept open in a country that bucked the global trend of severe shutdowns to fight the coronavirus pandemic.

A man wearing a protective face mask walks near to people sitting at the stairs of the Royal Dramatic Theater during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) outbreak, in Stockholm, Sweden April 22, 2020. TT News Agency/Janerik Henriksson via REUTERS
Sweden’s decision to keep schools and businesses open through the crisis has been criticised by some.

But as new COVID-19 cases and deaths show tentative signs of stabilising in the hard-hit capital Stockholm, officials and members of the public are sizing up the economic and health benefits of avoiding severe restrictions on movement.

At Kunskapsskolan, southwest of Stockholm’s city centre, life goes on much as usual. Some of the students at the special needs school suffer from attention deficit disorders while others live in troubled home environments.

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Principal Lisa Norming said it was vital for her students’ health to be able to come to school.

“It means a huge deal,” she said. “It’s about structure and daily routines they need to feel well.”

Swedish authorities have resisted calls to close schools, stressing the need for all measures to be sustainable over time. They have also warned of severe negative effects of a heavy-handed approach, both to the economy and people’s health.

That said, there are guidelines recommending that people wash hands, social distance, work at home where possible and avoid travel over holidays, meaning life in Sweden has been far from normal.

“We are not telling people to stay indoors. I think that’s a very important part of our policy,” said Johan Carlson, head of Sweden’s Public Health Agency.

“On the contrary. People should go out, exercise, get fresh air. It’s good for their physical and mental health.”

SWEDISH ECONOMY ALSO HIT

Sweden’s strategy is based on voluntary measures to slow the coronavirus outbreak enough to help hospitals cope rather than stop it in its tracks. So far, there are empty beds at intensive care units.

Still, more than 1,900 people have died of the virus in Sweden, fewer relative to the size of the population than in Britain, France and Spain but far more than in Denmark and Norway, where authorities have taken a stricter approach.

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The disparity with its Nordic neighbours has prompted fierce criticism from some Swedish scientists. Other countries are scrutinising its approach as they seek to open shuttered societies and suffering economies.

A report from Statistics Norway estimated that it cost the country, with roughly half the population of Sweden, 1.7 billion Norwegian crowns ($160 million) per day just to keep schools shut. Costs include parents missing work to tend to children as well as decreased future productivity based on missed education.

“It’s of course important for growth, for companies and for people,” Annika Winsth, chief economist at regional bank Nordea said, calling Sweden’s decision to remain open “brave”.

“It’s much easier to do the same as everyone else and lock down, but that has lots of costs.”

Despite avoiding lockdown, Sweden’s export-dependent economy has been hit hard and unemployment is seen rising.

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The government has launched relief measures worth about 100 billion Swedish crowns ($9.9 billion) but still expects the economy to contract some 4% this year.

At Lisbeth Janson, a fruit and vegetable store situated in a food court and market hall in central Stockholm, owner Lukas Wojarski has seen a significant drop in customers, but still has enough to keep the business running.

“It’s tough but we are happy that we have customers,” he said. “Had there been a total shutdown of the city we would have gone under.”